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For example, the highly influential [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_A'la_Maududi Ala-Maududi] (d. 1979 AD) writing in light of much more modern science in his modern tasfir wrote:
For example, the highly influential [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_A'la_Maududi Ala-Maududi] (d. 1979 AD) writing in light of much more modern science in his modern tasfir wrote:
{{Quote|{{cite web| url=https://myislam.org/surah-al-hijr/ayat-18/ | title= Tasfir Ala-Maududi 15.18}}|In Arabic the word shihab-i-mubin literally means a fiery flame. In Surah (Surah As-Saffat, Ayat 10), the same thing has been called shihab-i-thaqib (flame that pierces through darkness). This may or may not necessarily be a meteor for it is just possible that it may be some type of rays such as cosmic rays or even a stronger type which we have not been able to discover as yet. Anyhow, if the fiery flame that pursues Satans may be taken to be a meteor, a countless number of these can form a fortification around our sphere of the universe. Scientific observations made with the help of the telescope have shown that billions of these meteors are rushing from space in a mass of rainfall. towards the earth’s atmosphere. Such a scene was witnessed in an eastern pan of North America on November 13, 1833. This is so strong a fortification that it can prevent Satans from passing through any fortified sphere.}}
{{Quote|{{cite web| url=https://myislam.org/surah-al-hijr/ayat-18/ | title= Tasfir Ala-Maududi 15.18}}|In Arabic the word shihab-i-mubin literally means a fiery flame. In Surah (Surah As-Saffat, Ayat 10), the same thing has been called shihab-i-thaqib (flame that pierces through darkness). This may or may not necessarily be a meteor for it is just possible that it may be some type of rays such as cosmic rays or even a stronger type which we have not been able to discover as yet. Anyhow, if the fiery flame that pursues Satans may be taken to be a meteor, a countless number of these can form a fortification around our sphere of the universe. Scientific observations made with the help of the telescope have shown that billions of these meteors are rushing from space in a mass of rainfall. towards the earth’s atmosphere. Such a scene was witnessed in an eastern pan of North America on November 13, 1833. This is so strong a fortification that it can prevent Satans from passing through any fortified sphere.}}
Note the meteor shower being referred to here Leonid Meteor Storm, where fragments of ice, rock, and dust left behind by the Comet Tempel-Tuttle. About every 33 years, the Leonid meteor shower intensifies, increasing the possibility of a dazzling display of lights.<ref>https://blog.newspapers.com/november-12-13-1833-the-night-the-stars-fell/</ref> This comes from a predictable pattern of material left behind by the comet entering earths atmosphere and burning up,<ref>https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/leonid-meteor-shower-when-and-where-see-it-uk</ref> they do not actually form a flame in space which is impossible due to there being no oxygen,<ref>https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24733000-900-lighting-fires-in-space-is-helping-us-make-greener-energy-on-earth/#:~:text=Fires%20can't%20start%20in,in%20strange%20and%20beautiful%20ways</ref> so even this is incorrect.
Each comet has a tiny frozen part, called a nucleus, often no larger than a few kilometers across. The nucleus contains icy chunks, frozen gases with bits of embedded dust. A comet warms up as it nears the Sun and develops an atmosphere, or coma. The Sun's heat causes the comet's ices to change to gases so the coma gets larger. The coma may extend hundreds of thousands of kilometers. The pressure of sunlight and high-speed solar particles (solar wind) can blow the coma dust and gas away from the Sun, sometimes forming a long, bright tail. Comets actually have two tails―a dust tail and an ion (gas) tail.<ref>https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/comets/in-depth/</ref>Neither of these are flames, though they may appear similar in images.
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/comets/in-depth/
And:
And:
{{Quote|{{cite web| url=https://myislam.org/surah-al-mulk/ayat-5/#:~:text=Ala%2DMaududi,9. | title= Tasfir Ala-Maududi 67.5}}|This does not mean that the stars themselves are pelted at the Satans, nor that the meteorites shoot out only to drive away the Satans, <b>but it means that the countless meteorites which originate from the stars and wander in space at tremendous speeds and which also fall to the earth in a continuous shower prevent the Satans of the earth from ascending to the heavens.</b> Even if they try to ascend heavenward these meteorites drive them away. This thing has been mentioned here because the Arabs believed about the soothsayers, and this also was the claim made by the soothsayers themselves, that the Satans were under their control, or that they had a close contact with them, and through them they received news of the unseen, and thus, could foretell the destinies of the people. That is why at several places in the Quran, it has been stated that there is absolutely no possibility for the Satans ascending to the heavens and bringing news of the unseen. For explanation, see (Surah Al-Hijr, ayat 16-18) note 9-12, (Surah As-Saaffat, ayat 7-10) note 6,7.
{{Quote|{{cite web| url=https://myislam.org/surah-al-mulk/ayat-5/#:~:text=Ala%2DMaududi,9. | title= Tasfir Ala-Maududi 67.5}}|This does not mean that the stars themselves are pelted at the Satans, nor that the meteorites shoot out only to drive away the Satans, <b>but it means that the countless meteorites which originate from the stars and wander in space at tremendous speeds and which also fall to the earth in a continuous shower prevent the Satans of the earth from ascending to the heavens.</b> Even if they try to ascend heavenward these meteorites drive them away. This thing has been mentioned here because the Arabs believed about the soothsayers, and this also was the claim made by the soothsayers themselves, that the Satans were under their control, or that they had a close contact with them, and through them they received news of the unseen, and thus, could foretell the destinies of the people. That is why at several places in the Quran, it has been stated that there is absolutely no possibility for the Satans ascending to the heavens and bringing news of the unseen. For explanation, see (Surah Al-Hijr, ayat 16-18) note 9-12, (Surah As-Saaffat, ayat 7-10) note 6,7.
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Similar to asteroids in the asteroid belt, the source of comets are from extremely distant sections of the solar system, the Kuiper belt (beyond Neptune) being the closest source, and the Oorb field far beyond Pluto (which is itself only theorised).   
Similar to asteroids in the asteroid belt, the source of comets are from extremely distant sections of the solar system, the Kuiper belt (beyond Neptune) being the closest source, and the Oorb field far beyond Pluto (which is itself only theorised).   


In fact, astronomers estimate there are hundreds of thousands of objects in the region that are larger than 60 miles (100 kilometers) wide or larger, and potentially trillions overall. However, the total mass of all the material in the Kuiper Belt is estimated to be no more than about 10% of the mass of Earth - across <ref>https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/solar-system/kuiper-belt/overview/</ref>.


'''How long is it? How wide is it?'''
'''How long is it? How wide is it?'''


NASA says that the inner edge of the doughnut-shaped Kuiper Belt begins at the orbit of Neptune and a distance of around 2.8 billion miles (4.8 billion kilometers) from the sun, with its main concentration of bodies ending at around 4.6 billion miles (7.4 billion km) from the star. It's thickness is approximately ~930 million miles (~1.5 billion kilometers / (10AU)).<ref>[https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l11_p8.html#:~:text=The%20Kuiper%20Belt%20is%20a,Belt%20is%20approximately%2010%20AU. https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l11_p8.html#:~:text=The%20Kuiper%20Belt%20is%20a,Belt%20is%20approximately%2010%20AU.]</ref> The Kuiper Belt is far larger than the main asteroid belt, up to 20 times as wide and 20 to 100 times it's mass according to Nine Planets. Occasionally, one will break of from this orbit and reach the inner solar system, though for one to come close enough to earth is rare,<ref>https://www.space.com/comets.html</ref> for two to be near enough to be used as objects to pelt jinn from every side is near impossible.
The inner edge of the Kuiper Belt begins at the orbit of Neptune and a distance of around 2.8 billion miles (4.8 billion kilometers) from the sun, with its main concentration of bodies ending at around 4.6 billion miles (7.4 billion km) from the star. It's thickness is approximately ~930 million miles (~1.5 billion kilometers / (10AU)).<ref>[https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l11_p8.html#:~:text=The%20Kuiper%20Belt%20is%20a,Belt%20is%20approximately%2010%20AU. https://www.e-education.psu.edu/astro801/content/l11_p8.html#:~:text=The%20Kuiper%20Belt%20is%20a,Belt%20is%20approximately%2010%20AU.]</ref> The Kuiper Belt is far larger than the main asteroid belt, up to 20 times as wide and 20 to 100 times it's mass according to Nine Planets. In fact, astronomers estimate there are hundreds of thousands of objects in the region that are larger than 60 miles (100 kilometers) wide or larger, and potentially trillions overall, however, the total mass of all the material in the Kuiper Belt is estimated to be no more than about 10% of the mass of Earth.<ref>https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/solar-system/kuiper-belt/overview/</ref>  Occasionally, one will break of from this orbit and reach the inner solar system, though for one to come anywhere near Earth is rare,<ref>https://www.space.com/comets.html</ref><ref>https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/7721/how-near-to-earth-do-comets-pass</ref> and for two that also happen to be appropriately sized, to be near enough to be used as objects is near impossible, ''making them extremely sparse for use as weapons to pelt jinn from every side from.''


Stray comets


Point = pelting from every side = impossible
POINT 3 - Comets do not make flames


How wide is it?
As mentioned briefly earlier, comets do not make flames or have fire at their head, but ice melting and disintegrating under a barrage of solar radiation. For this reason, they only sprout a tail near the sun. In fact the tails direction more influenced by direction of the sun than the Comet trajectory.<ref>[https://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/explore/comets/background/#:~:text=Because%20sunlight%20and%20solar%20wind,is%20moving%20in%20its%20orbit. https://www.lpi.usra.edu/education/explore/comets/background/#:~:text=Because%20sunlight%20and%20solar%20wind,is%20moving%20in%20its%20orbit.]</ref> Comet ion tails are comprised of glowing lightweight gases ionised by UV light, this reflecting sunlight, not a flame.<ref><nowiki>https://www.google.com/amp/s/solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/comets/in-depth.amp</nowiki></ref> These do not match the flaming pursuing lamps of the jinn - which would be scientifically inaccurate. When they are far from their stars comets are just cold dark space bodies movies on a highly eccentric ellipse path.


To burn up in the atmosphere to create an actual flame would require them being thrown insanely large distances of usually hundreds of millions of miles to finally create a flame near Earth, other than an unbelievably rare instance of close planet encounters.


POINT 3 - distance to earth to make flame as a rock weapon is insane (like asteroids)
POINT 4 - speed of movement


They also travel from around 2,000mph to over 100,000mph,<ref>https://www.mrsd.org/cms/lib/NH01912397/Centricity/Domain/245/comets.pdf</ref> making them very awkward sources for weapons to defend against a meeting being held


Therefore very similar problems to asteroids, just like the further spherical Oorb field to asteroid belt, in that it is extremely rare for any to be close to each other, the sizes are odd for the story, and no flame.
'''Actual cause - Meteor Showers<br />'''


A meteor shower occurs when the Earth passes through the trail of debris left by a comet or asteroid.<ref>https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/741990main_ten_meteor_facts.pdf</ref>






Comets main meteors are caused by the earth rotating through the dust left behind


A meteor shower occurs when the Earth passes through the trail of debris left by a comet or asteroid. <ref>https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/741990main_ten_meteor_facts.pdf</ref> These follow predictable patterns based off theirs orbits, not due to random meetings?
They have highly elliptical orbits, originating from the Kuiper Belt(link?) beyond Neptune, [2]. Their orbits range from centuries (short-period comets) to hundreds of thousands (and beyond) of years.
[2]  <nowiki>https://www.space.com/comets.html</nowiki>
Firstly, once again they are almost always extremely far from one another
Each comet has a tiny frozen part, called a nucleus, often no larger than a few kilometers across. The nucleus contains icy chunks, frozen gases with bits of embedded dust. A comet warms up as it nears the Sun and develops an atmosphere, or coma. The Sun's heat causes the comet's ices to change to gases so the coma gets larger. The coma may extend hundreds of thousands of kilometers. The pressure of sunlight and high-speed solar particles (solar wind) can blow the coma dust and gas away from the Sun, sometimes forming a long, bright tail. Comets actually have two tails―a dust tail and an ion (gas) tail.
Not fire at their head, but ice melting and disintegrating under a barrage of solar radiation. ONLY sprout tail near the sun. In fact tail direction more influenced by direction of the sun than the Comet trajectory. Comet ion tails are comprised of glowing lightweight gases ionised by UV light, this reflecting sunlight, not a flame. These do not match the flaming pursuing lamps of the jinn - which would be scientifically inaccurate.
Plus moving very fast (get reference), not good for a presumably still meetings' protection.
When they are far from their stars comets are just cold dark space bodies movies on a highly eccentric ellipse path.
Extremely strange meeting traveling X miles per hour along a trajectory. And have to move X miles to another once a jinn has come.
<nowiki>https://www.google.com/amp/s/solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/comets/in-depth.amp</nowiki>
These are small pieces of dust left behind, there are no (identified) big enough to survive the burning and leave a meteorite, which all come from asteroids (making them a poor flame weapon). <nowiki>https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/meteors-and-meteorites/in-depth/</nowiki>
Comets main meteors are caused by the earth rotating through the dust left behind




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