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:{{cite web| url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/29/world/fg-abortion29 | title=Abortions on the rise in Mideast| author= Borzou Daragahi| date = June 29, 2008| publisher= Los Angeles Times | :{{cite web| url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/29/world/fg-abortion29 | title=Abortions on the rise in Mideast| author= Borzou Daragahi| date = June 29, 2008| publisher= Los Angeles Times | ||
| quote = According to the United Nations, about one in 10 pregnancies in the region ends in abortion...| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/29/world/fg-abortion29&date=2011-09-17| deadurl=no}} | | quote = According to the United Nations, about one in 10 pregnancies in the region ends in abortion...| archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/29/world/fg-abortion29&date=2011-09-17| deadurl=no}} | ||
== Cite web or WebCite? == | |||
; ''Here is a discussion that took place on Wikipedia. It talks about the differences of Cite web and Webcite:'' | |||
I would be grateful if I could get some opinions on two URL referencing tools, Cite web and Webcite. If we just use WebCite, the advantages are that (1) its ''one'' stable link that the reader can click and it will always be there. Multiple links may confuse the reader. (2) WebCite will also take a reliable snapshot of a website which may change later at any time. (3) Reader has access to the original URL at WebCite if he needs it. Example of WebCite: | |||
*<nowiki>{{</nowiki>WebCite|url=http://www.webcitation.org/5EsdOV0Sd|date =2006-04-03|title=Science and Technology - Sixth Report}} | |||
We can use Cite web, where we can give both the actual URL and the archived URL. They can be switched around using the 'deadurl' URL. An example of Cite Web: | |||
*<nowiki>{{</nowiki>cite web | |||
| title = Regulation of complementary medicines | |||
| url = http://www.tga.gov.au/cm/cm.htm | |||
| accessdate = 17 May 2009 | archiveurl= http://web.archive.org/web/20090513224806/http://www.tga.gov.au/cm/cm.htm| archivedate= 13 May 2009 <!--DASHBot-->| deadurl= no}} | |||
If we use Cite Web, we have to detect dead links and then switch around the URL's. Also the user may be confused seeing two links instead of one. I know Webcite has had some outages but its been online for most of the time. | |||
So why should Cite Web be used instead of just WebCite? I know none of the available solutions fully solve the difficult problem of link rot so we're just making attempts to improve the chances that the reader gets to a working URL. --[[User:ApplePie3|ApplePie3]] ([[User talk:ApplePie3|talk]]) 04:43, 8 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
:{{tl|cite web}} is a template for citing webpages, and it allows for full bibliographic information (authors, publication dates, publisher, work/website name, access date, etc). It can be used to link to the archived copy of a webpage on WebCite, the Wayback Machine/archive.org and other services. The other template doesn't do full citations, and it's limited to just one service. It's important to note that a webpage archived with WebCite is not permanent; the publisher/rights holder could request that the copy be removed from the archives at any time. | |||
:As for link rot, I just pre-emptively archive online copies of news articles. See [[County Road 595 (Marquette County, Michigan)|County Road 595]] where every digital copy of an article from ''The Mining Journal'' is pre-emptively archived already. I do believe that there is a bot that checks periodically through articles looking for dead links, and it will remove {{para|deadurl|no}} as needed from the citation templates to perform the flip flop with the links. Since those are the online copies of news articles, they're cited using {{tl|cite news}}, which also allows linkages to ISSN or OCLC numbers and other identifiers to allow readers to search for libraries that have the print editions in their holdings. <span style="background:#006B54; padding:2px;">'''[[User:Imzadi1979|<font color="white">Imzadi 1979</font>]] [[User talk:Imzadi1979|<font color="white"><big>→</big></font>]]'''</span> 05:59, 8 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
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:*{{tl|WebCite}} is not a full citation template— it does not support key information such as author, publisher, date of original publication and identifiers such as doi. It does not match the style of {{cs1}} templates, thus they should not be mixed within an article per [[WP:CITEVAR]]. | |||
:*{{tl|WebCite}} does not include the original URL. If WebCite were to go dark, then it is harder to find another archive of the site. | |||
:* Archive sites such as [[WebCite]] or [[Archive.org]] are not a perfect solution. They honor the [[robots exclusion standard]] and the robots attribute of the [[meta element]]; thus they will not archive many commercial sites such as [[The New York Times]]. | |||
:* {{para|deadurl|no}} is intended for a preemptive archive. That is, the original link is not dead, but an archive is included as a backup. | |||
:*You can use the WebCite link in {{tl|cite web}}: | |||
:** <code><nowiki>{{cite web |last=House of Lords |title=Science and Technology - Sixth Report |work=UK Parliment |date=21 November 2000 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5EsdOV0Sd |archivedate=3 April 2006}}</nowiki></code> | |||
:** {{cite web |last=House of Lords |title=Science and Technology - Sixth Report |work=UK Parliment |date=21 November 2000 |archiveurl=http://www.webcitation.org/5EsdOV0Sd |archivedate=3 April 2006}} | |||
:--'''''— [[User:Gadget850|<span style="color:gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</span>]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850| ''talk'']]</sup> 06:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC) | |||
::Thanks to both of you for the replies and additional information! --[[User:ApplePie3|ApplePie3]] ([[User talk:ApplePie3|talk]]) 14:21, 8 December 2012 (UTC) | |||