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::::::::: That's fine - my sieve-like memory and the illegibility of my notes has meant that I've been going by the summary of pages you sent me from our discord meeting. But I've no objections to what you suggest. I'll get onto that tomorrow. [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC) | ::::::::: That's fine - my sieve-like memory and the illegibility of my notes has meant that I've been going by the summary of pages you sent me from our discord meeting. But I've no objections to what you suggest. I'll get onto that tomorrow. [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::::::::: I think that 'QHS:FGM' (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Flynnjed/Sandbox2) and 'FGM in Islamic law' (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/User:Flynnjed/Sandbox3) might be complete. Would you give them a once-over? I don't mind you suggesting improvements as I'm kind of thinking of these three pages as being the steep learning-curve necessary whenever one starts a new project. I've included 6 favourable fatwas on the Islamic Law page (rather than the 3 or 4 you suggested) - the full section contains 32 and it didn't feel quite possible to distill them down to just 3 or 4. [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 13:56, 14 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::: I just scrolled through both of them and they look great. It isn't really an issue atm if these two pages seems somewhat similar - the point of the QHS page is to give a place to dump references, so if in the future anyone just wants to add another primary reference they can drop it off there without having to worry about integrating it into a regular article. This being the case, the two articles should evolve independently into more distinct entities in time. You can go ahead and post both articles into their actual pages at this point if you feel they are ready and can work from there. You should have auto-confirmed editing access at this point. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 17:22, 14 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::: I've really pared back the QHS: FGM page and published the two pages. I'm going to start working on the 'FGM in Islam' page'. However, I think that the title 'FGM in Islam' is not quite right - I'm wondering whether some other title like 'FGM: its Origins, History and Sociology' might better represent its contents and tempt more readers? [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 07:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::: I've been looking at the QHS:FGM page and it occurs to me that there's something that needs improvement. If you go to the Hadith section (https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female_Genital_Mutilation#Hadith) to where it says "To 'sit amidst four parts' of a woman is a euphemism for sexual intercourse" - it's not clear if the note applies to the previous quote or the subsequent one. Could the 'quote' template be adapted to include a 'notes' field, so it's clear to which quote a note applies? I appreciate that it's just a detail, and that any half-attentive reader will realise which quote the note applies to, but think it's a much about getting the feel and look of the content right - making the page more 'comfortable'. I'm guessing that adding a field after the 'source' field would do the job, but it's not apparent how this might be done. [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 07:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::: Just thinking - wouldn't the 'FGM as un-Islamic' section be better at the end of the FGM in Islamic law section? rather than on the 'FGM in Islam' page - which is shaping up to be very much the History and Sociology of FGM? [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 04:12, 16 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::: I've just been working on the 'FGM as un-Islamic' section and am not so sure that it would fit at the end of the 'FGM in Islam page' (as suggested in the previous message). But nor does it doesn't fit at the end of the 'FGM in Islam' page (or whatever that page's name should be). Maybe 'FGM as un-Islamic' should have its own page? [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 18:17, 16 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::: Could you upload the following images please? I know that they are a bit much (I can't look at these without tearing-up) - but I'm wanting to clarify a subsidiary element of Islamic FGM -that anaesthetics are not used even when available because pain is part of FGM's functionality. [[User:Flynnjed|Flynnjed]] ([[User talk:Flynnjed|talk]]) 03:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
:::::::::::::::: Here are the images - are you still unable to upload them yourself? I believe your editing permissions were updated: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/File:Fgm-in-the-middle-east.jpg, https://wikiislam.net/wiki/File:Endfgm-campaign-video-016.jpg, https://wikiislam.net/wiki/File:Indonesia_-_susanfemalecircumcision-1.jpg | |||
:::::::::::::::: The title you suggest for the main FGM page is good, but sounds more like a journal article than a wiki article. If the origins, history, and sociology of FGM in Islam (plus a short summary of FGM in Islamic law) makeup the crux of what there is to say about the topic, then the article is generally comprehensive enough for it to be entitled as "FGM in Islam". If, on the other hand, there is more to say on the topic, then it is ok if it is presently incomplete - wiki articles are perpetual works in progress (the missing content will eventually be added). On the other hand, if you feel that you have so much to say about the origins and history and sociology of FGM in Islam that this discussion cannot be reasonably contained in an article aimed at giving a general overview of FGM in Islam - then we can make another page: we could have FGM in Islam, FGM in Islamic Law (a heavy section needing elaboration in its own article), ''and'' The Origins, History, and Sociology of Islam. If we take this latter route, the contents of this new third article would just be summarized under a header in the main, overview article (FGM in Islam), just like the content from the FGM in Islamic Law is included in summary fashion in the main article. Does that make sense? If so, you may proceed as you prefer - I can create that new page if you'd like. I just think it is wise to limit the number of pages to the minimum necessary to avoid complexifying things - but it may also be that creating more pages in this case is actually the simpler route. | |||
:::::::::::::::: For the QHS quote and the ambiguous comment you mentioned, you could just introduce a word like 'the above quote' or 'the below quote' to clearly indicate what a passage is referring too. As for 'FGM as un-Islamic', I agree that this is better suited to the FGM in Islamic Law page. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::::::::::::::: "are you still unable to upload them yourself? I believe your editing permissions were updated" - I tried uploading them, but I get "You do not have permission to create new pages." I'll keep the 'FGM as un-Islamic' section at the end of the Islamic Law page - but it might all be a bit long. I'm happy to stick with 'FGM in Islam' if it keeps things effective and efficient. | |||