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:::Specifically I think we'd leave a few important examples of historical errors on the scientific errors page along w a summary of the section and then link at the top to the new page where we could proceed to list say dozens of historical errors. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 00:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC) | :::Specifically I think we'd leave a few important examples of historical errors on the scientific errors page along w a summary of the section and then link at the top to the new page where we could proceed to list say dozens of historical errors. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 00:17, 23 August 2021 (UTC) | ||
:::Pending any other arguments I'll go ahead and implement this tomorrow. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 00:19, 23 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::That sounds a good approach. If I may recommend which ones to move from (rather than having also on) the sci errors page to the new historical errors page, it'd be the less interesting or famous ones which a visitor on the fence might more easily rationalise away as a mere absense of evidence thing or alternative meaning apologetics: Samaritans in ancient Egypt, John the Baptist's original name; Supernatural destruction of cities; Humans lived hundreds of years, Ancient mosque in Jerusalem. That would leave ones that people often mention as effecting them plus one or two that are quite new and need good exposure: Wall of iron; Mary part of the trinity; Mary and Miriam (popular and significant, though somewhat divides academics); Ezra; David invented coats of mail (very strong but quite new, needs more exposure); crucifixions in ancient Egypt (ditto); Singular Pharaoh; The three Noah's flood sections (a major topic - possibly could become even more concise on this page. The oven boiled is a pretty strong new point that needs the exposure). It's so useful to be able to just share one link rather than two for all types of factual errors (only a small percentage of people would click through to the main historical errors page). I do so regularly, as do countless others, so I'm glad the historical stuff is not being moved completely.[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 10:24, 23 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
::::: Great points you made; implemented the change as you suggested. The pages can evolve on their own now and if we keep around 10 solid ones on the scientific errors page, that should suffice the sharing-one-link purpose. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 12:43, 25 August 2021 (UTC) | |||
==Hadith templates guide== | |||
Hi, I replaced a couple of recent hard coded hadith refs with the templates. There is a page which details how to cite the various alternative hadith referencing systems available on quranx (such as the Dar-us-Salam system) using the templates. I can never remember which page it is at first so here's the link https://wikiislam.net/wiki/WikiIslam:Source_Editing#Referencing_Hadith | |||
It seems there are lots of legacy al-Tirmidhi hard coded refs around the site (often with sunnah.com's erroneous book numbers) but it would take a long time to replace those with the templates. [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 00:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
Thank you! Which pages had the hard-coded hadith references?--[[User:Asmith|Asmith]] ([[User talk:Asmith|talk]]) 01:12, 16 October 2021 (UTC) | |||
:No prob :) It was [[Scientific_Errors_in_the_Hadith]] It had a couple of new direct links to quranx and sunnah.com in order to link Ibn Majah and an Abu Dawud hadith using the Dar-us-Salam ref system (since the default USC index only has half the hadiths for that collection). Both can be linked using the templates so I changed those to illustrate. There are a dozen or so links to al Tirmidhi hadiths on sunnah.com still on the page and more throughout the site, especially the QHS pages (probably other hadith collections too besides Tirmidhi). [[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 01:21, 16 October 2021 (UTC) | |||