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Ka'ab Bin Lowy was a man of great honour among his ancestors and progeny. He was the first person who gave the name of Friday to the day of Friday. Arabs used to call him 'Aroba. He gathered them and advised them to hear, learn and understand,  and to know that night is deserted and silent, while day is full of sunlight, and earth is a cradle while sky is a support, '''and mountains are pegs''', and stars are signs, ...}}
Ka'ab Bin Lowy was a man of great honour among his ancestors and progeny. He was the first person who gave the name of Friday to the day of Friday. Arabs used to call him 'Aroba. He gathered them and advised them to hear, learn and understand,  and to know that night is deserted and silent, while day is full of sunlight, and earth is a cradle while sky is a support, '''and mountains are pegs''', and stars are signs, ...}}


The critics point out that the writer of Qur'an only recorded this old concept in Quran, thus it could be in no way a miracle of Qur'an.
The critics point out that the writer of Qur'an only recorded this old concept in Quran.  


==Scientific mistakes in Quran regarding the creation of mountains==
Similarly, other civilizations also had the concept of mountains having roots. For example, we find this concept in bible too.
 
{{Quote|1=[https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jonah%202%3A6&version=NIV (Bible: John 2:6)]|2='''To the roots''' of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.}}
 
==Critics claim: There are 2 Scientific mistakes in Quran regarding the creation of mountains==
According to the critics, the writer of Quran made two scientific mistakes regarding the creation of mountains.  
According to the critics, the writer of Quran made two scientific mistakes regarding the creation of mountains.  


==='''First''': Mountains were put "from above" on the earth===
==='''First Mistake''': Allah 'placed جعل' the Mountains 'from above '''من فوقها'''<nowiki/>' into the earth according to the Quran===
{{Quote|[https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Quran 41:10]|وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَٰسِىَ مِن فَوْقِهَا
According to the modern science, mountains are formed  when two plates techtonic collide with each other. But critics claim that verse 41:10 claimed that Allah 'placed' the mountains 'from above' into the earth.
 
وَ'''جَعَلَ''' فِيهَا رَوَٰسِىَ '''مِن فَوْقِهَا'''
 
And He '''placed''' (Arabic: جعل) in it stabilisers (i.e. mountains) '''from above''' (Arabic: من فوقها).([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Quran Word by Word Translation by Quran Corpus])
 
And He '''placed''' therein firmly-set mountains '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Word for Word Dr. Shehnaz Shaikh])
 
And He made in it mountains '''above its surface.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Shakir])
 
And He made on it firm mountains '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar])
 
He has '''placed''' in it (the earth) firm mountains '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Abdul Hye])
 
And He '''placed''' therein firm mountains '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Dr. Kamal Omar])
 
And He made therein anchorages (i.e., mountains) '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali]):
 
And He '''placed''' on the earth firmly set mountains '''over its surface.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Sahih International])
 
And He '''placed''' in it stabilizers '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm The Monotheist Group])
 
And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it. ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Muhammad Ahmed - Samira]) 
 
And in it He '''placed''' mountains as anchors '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Faridul Haque]) 
 
He '''placed''' therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains '''from above it.''' ([https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/41/10/default.htm Mohsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali])
 
Similarly, verse 16:15 is also claims that Allah CASTE the mountains into the earth.
{{Quote|[https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/16/15/default.htm Quran 16:15]|وألقى في الأرض رواسي أن تميد بكم </br>
(Sahih International) And He has '''cast''' into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you,}}
The word 'he has cast' is ''alqa'' (lam-qaf-ya), which in this form (Arabic verb form IV) is frequently used elsewhere in the Quran to mean throw or cast. It is the same word as is used in [https://quranx.com/3.44 Quran 3:44] when lots are cast using pens (it would be easy to imagine that mountains were similarly scattered), and [https://quranx.com/12.10 Quran 12:10] when the prophet Yusuf is cast down into the well, and in [https://quranx.com/20.20 Quran 20:20] when Moses casts down his staff, which becomes a snake.


'''(Quran Word by Word Translation by Quran Corpus):''' </br>
According to the modern science, mountains are not 'placed'/'cast' over earth's surface, but they are formed when two plates tectonics collide with each other (i.e. when earthquake takes place), then crust of one plate goes upwards and forms a mountain, while the crust of other plate goes downwards.  
And He placed in it stabilisers (i.e. mountains) '''from above (من فوقها)'''.</br>
'''(Word for Word Dr. Shehnaz Shaikh):''' </br>
And He placed therein firmly-set mountains '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Shakir):''' </br>
And He made in it mountains '''above its surface.'''</br>
'''(Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar):''' </br>
And He made on it firm mountains '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Abdul Hye):''' </br>
He has placed in it (the earth) firm mountains '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Dr. Kamal Omar):''' </br>
And He placed therein firm mountains '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali):''' </br>
And He made therein anchorages (i.e., mountains) '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Sahih International):''' </br>
And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains '''over its surface.'''</br>
'''(The Monotheist Group):''' </br>
And He placed in it stabilizers '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Muhammad Ahmed - Samira):''' </br>
And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it.'''</br>
'''(Faridul Haque):''' </br>
And in it He placed mountains as anchors '''from above it.'''</br>
'''(Mohsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali):''' </br>
He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains '''from above it.'''}}
The Arabic words "'''من''' '''فوقها'''" mean "from above".  


Critics point out that Mountains are formed through the movement and collision of lithospheric (tectonic) plates. The Quran, by contrast, states that the mountains on Earth's surface were put upon it from above by Allah, which is a scientific mistake of Quran.
And then this process of colliding of plates tectonics (i.e. earthquakes) continues for millions of years, and with each collision mountains keep on rising high little by little. And when the plates tectonics start to move away from each other, then these high mountains start  to erode and after millions of years, they completely disappear.  


==='''Second''': Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe===
For example, there existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. But then two plates tectonics collided with each other, and a small Mount Everest came into being due to that. Then it kept on gaining height with each collision of the plates tectonics. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will start eroding and will disappear completely.
{{Quote|[http://web.archive.org/web/20151024181607/http://sunnah.com/muslim/52/10 Sahih Muslim]|Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:
<br />
==='''Second Mistake''': Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe===
Quran claims that Allah had already created the mountains on the 2nd day of creation.
{{Quote|1=[https://quranx.com/41.9?context=4 Quran 41:9-11]|2=Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created '''the earth in two days''' and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds. '''And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface''', and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in (next) four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."}}
And Hadith made it more clear that 2nd day of creation was Sunday, when the mountains were created by Allah.
<br />{{Quote|[http://sunnah.com/muslim/52/10 Sahih Muslim]|Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said:


Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and lie caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i.e. between afternoon and night.}}
Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and lie caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i.e. between afternoon and night.}}

Revision as of 16:57, 18 October 2021

The idea of Mountains being Pegs had already existed among the Arabs before Muhammad

The idea of mountains being pegs even existed among the Arabs before Muhammad. For example, Ka’ab was one of the ancestor of Muhammad. This Ka’ab also declared mountains to be pegs long before Muhammad.

فأما كعب بن لؤي، فكان أعظم ولد أبيه قدرا، وأعظمهم شرفا، وكان أول من سمي يوم الجمعة بالجمعة، وكانت العرب تسميه عروبة، فجمعهم فيه، وكان يخطب عليهم، فيقول: اسمعوا، وتعلموا، وافهموا، واعلموا أن الليل ساج، والنهار ضاح، والأرض مهاد، والسماء عماد، والجبال أوتاد، والنجوم أعلام،
Ka'ab Bin Lowy was a man of great honour among his ancestors and progeny. He was the first person who gave the name of Friday to the day of Friday. Arabs used to call him 'Aroba. He gathered them and advised them to hear, learn and understand, and to know that night is deserted and silent, while day is full of sunlight, and earth is a cradle while sky is a support, and mountains are pegs, and stars are signs, ...

The critics point out that the writer of Qur'an only recorded this old concept in Quran.

Similarly, other civilizations also had the concept of mountains having roots. For example, we find this concept in bible too.

To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.

Critics claim: There are 2 Scientific mistakes in Quran regarding the creation of mountains

According to the critics, the writer of Quran made two scientific mistakes regarding the creation of mountains.

First Mistake: Allah 'placed جعل' the Mountains 'from above من فوقها' into the earth according to the Quran

According to the modern science, mountains are formed when two plates techtonic collide with each other. But critics claim that verse 41:10 claimed that Allah 'placed' the mountains 'from above' into the earth.

وَجَعَلَ فِيهَا رَوَٰسِىَ مِن فَوْقِهَا

And He placed (Arabic: جعل) in it stabilisers (i.e. mountains) from above (Arabic: من فوقها).(Quran Word by Word Translation by Quran Corpus)

And He placed therein firmly-set mountains from above it. (Word for Word Dr. Shehnaz Shaikh)

And He made in it mountains above its surface. (Shakir)

And He made on it firm mountains from above it. (Dr. Laleh Bakhtiar)

He has placed in it (the earth) firm mountains from above it. (Abdul Hye)

And He placed therein firm mountains from above it. (Dr. Kamal Omar)

And He made therein anchorages (i.e., mountains) from above it. (Muhammad Mahmoud Ghali):

And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface. (Sahih International)

And He placed in it stabilizers from above it. (The Monotheist Group)

And He made/put in it anchors/fixtures/mountains from above it. (Muhammad Ahmed - Samira)

And in it He placed mountains as anchors from above it. (Faridul Haque)

He placed therein (i.e. the earth) firm mountains from above it. (Mohsin Khan & Muhammad al-Hilali)

Similarly, verse 16:15 is also claims that Allah CASTE the mountains into the earth.

وألقى في الأرض رواسي أن تميد بكم
(Sahih International) And He has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it shift with you,

The word 'he has cast' is alqa (lam-qaf-ya), which in this form (Arabic verb form IV) is frequently used elsewhere in the Quran to mean throw or cast. It is the same word as is used in Quran 3:44 when lots are cast using pens (it would be easy to imagine that mountains were similarly scattered), and Quran 12:10 when the prophet Yusuf is cast down into the well, and in Quran 20:20 when Moses casts down his staff, which becomes a snake.

According to the modern science, mountains are not 'placed'/'cast' over earth's surface, but they are formed when two plates tectonics collide with each other (i.e. when earthquake takes place), then crust of one plate goes upwards and forms a mountain, while the crust of other plate goes downwards.

And then this process of colliding of plates tectonics (i.e. earthquakes) continues for millions of years, and with each collision mountains keep on rising high little by little. And when the plates tectonics start to move away from each other, then these high mountains start  to erode and after millions of years, they completely disappear.

For example, there existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. But then two plates tectonics collided with each other, and a small Mount Everest came into being due to that. Then it kept on gaining height with each collision of the plates tectonics. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will start eroding and will disappear completely.

Second Mistake: Allah had already made the mountains on the day of Sunday at time of the creation of the universe

Quran claims that Allah had already created the mountains on the 2nd day of creation.

Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds. And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in (next) four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."

And Hadith made it more clear that 2nd day of creation was Sunday, when the mountains were created by Allah.


Abu Huraira reported that Allah's Messenger took hold of my hands and said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, created the clay on Saturday and He created the mountains on Sunday and He created the trees on Monday and He created the things entailing labour on Tuesday and created light on Wednesday and lie caused the animals to spread on Thursday and created Adam (peace be upon him) after 'Asr on Friday; the last creation at the last hour of the hours of Friday, i.e. between afternoon and night.

Critics point out that according to the modern science[1][2]:

  • Mountains were not created on Sunday at the time of creation of the earth and the heavens.
  • But earth initially consisted of gases only. It took billions of years to come into solid form. And even after earth came into solid state, still it took billions of years more in the formation of mountains.
  • And older mountains disappear with time, and new mountains start forming.
  • There existed no Mount Everest 250 million years ago. Today it is the highest mountain. It will keep on gaining even more height, but then a time will come, when it will disappear completely.

Not only Hadith, but Quran itself claims that Allah had already created the mountains during the creation of the earth and the heavens.

(Sahih International) Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask. Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."