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It is argued that if Allah claims that the sun really set in a spring, wajada would be omitted.<ref>Hesham Azmy - [http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/sun_setting_in_murky_water___by_hesham_azmy_ Sun Setting in Murky Water? Refuting a repetitive missionary allegation] - Call To Monotheism</ref> | It is argued that if Allah claims that the sun really set in a spring, wajada would be omitted.<ref>Hesham Azmy - [http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/sun_setting_in_murky_water___by_hesham_azmy_ Sun Setting in Murky Water? Refuting a repetitive missionary allegation] - Call To Monotheism</ref> | ||
However, this passage is an account about Dhu’l Qarnayn, so we should expect each statement to be phrased in a way that makes clear how it relates in some way to him and what he did (in this case finding the thing that was the objective of his journey) | However, this passage is an account about Dhu’l Qarnayn, so we should expect each statement to be phrased in a way that makes clear how it relates in some way to him and what he did (in this case finding the thing that was the objective of his journey). We saw above various early commentaries giving reports of people explicitly stating that it was understood to mean that the sun actually sets in a spring. | ||
===Does verse 18:83 mean it is just Dhu’l Qarnayn’s recollection of the events?=== | ===Does verse 18:83 mean it is just Dhu’l Qarnayn’s recollection of the events?=== | ||
Another way of supporting the claim that the entire story is the point of view of Dhu’l Qarnayn | Another way of supporting the claim that the entire story is the point of view of Dhu’l Qarnayn is to use the last two Arabic words of verse 18:83 to suggest that this is meant to be merely how Dhu’l Qarnayn remembered it:<ref>[http://www.faithfreedom.com/anti_islamic_claims/zulqarnain.html The polemics, and not Zul-Qarnain, are in murky waters!] - Faithfreedom (''not to be confused with the [http://www.faithfreedom.org/ original FaithFreedom] site by Dr. Ali Sina'')</ref> | ||
{{Quote|{{Quran|18|83}}|They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnayn. Say, ‘I will rehearse to you something of his story.’}} | {{Quote|{{Quran|18|83}}|They ask thee concerning Zul-qarnayn. Say, ‘I will rehearse to you something of his story.’}} | ||
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In contrast, the evidence overwhelmingly supports the clear and obvious interpretation that this is intended to be understood as a historical account in which Dhu’l Qarnayn traveled until he reached the place where the sun sets and actually found that it went down into a muddy spring near to where a people were, and that he then traveled until he reached the place where the sun rises and actually found that it rose up above a people who lived close to the place where the sun rises. | In contrast, the evidence overwhelmingly supports the clear and obvious interpretation that this is intended to be understood as a historical account in which Dhu’l Qarnayn traveled until he reached the place where the sun sets and actually found that it went down into a muddy spring near to where a people were, and that he then traveled until he reached the place where the sun rises and actually found that it rose up above a people who lived close to the place where the sun rises. | ||
==Notes on translations, transliterations, and sources== | ==Notes on translations, transliterations, and sources== | ||
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http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm | http://www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm | ||
{{refend}} | {{refend}} | ||
==See Also== | |||
*[[Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Setting in a Muddy Spring - Part One|Dhul-Qarnayn and the Sun Setting in a Muddy Spring (Part One)]] | |||
*[[Dhul-Qarnayn and the Alexander Romance]] | |||
*[[Islamic Views on the Shape of the Earth]] | |||
==External Links== | |||
*[https://theislamissue.wordpress.com/2022/03/23/tafsir-al-tabari-for-q1886/ Tafsir Al-Tabari for Q18:86] - The Islam Issue | |||
*[https://theislamissue.wordpress.com/2022/05/16/the-early-muslims-and-the-sun-in-the-spring/ The early Muslims and the sun in the spring] - The Islam Issue | |||
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20130828002043/http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/235012104-apostates-why-did-you-leave-islam/page-3#entry2566325 Forum discussion showing Shi'ite hadith also confirm a literal meaning to the sun "setting in a muddy spring"] | |||
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVwizsojd1Y&t=28s Does the Quran really say the Sun sets in a muddy spring?] - The Masked Arab - ''YouTube video'' | |||
*[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zyZxYW9v_U The Physical Setting of the Sun], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muH2FLH84RE The Sun sets in a Murky Water] - islamwhattheydonttellyou164 - ''YouTube video'' | |||
==References and Footnotes== | ==References and Footnotes== | ||