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==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines (2021)]== | |||
Hey Sauran, good catch regarding the lack of strong references for Muhammad's marriage to Mary etc. in the hereafter. There are, however, other hadiths of varying authenticity to this effect (compiled, for instance starting in [https://app.turath.io/book/4445 volume 2 page 431 of Ibn Kathir's ''al-Bidayah wal-Nihayah'']). I think that the sections for the three women should be left in the article and that it should be indicated clearly that there are no references to these ideas in 'authentic Islamic sources' as well as the fact that the idea plainly did crop up in the tradition nonetheless (and especially, as with the source you discussed with Axius, in the Shia tradition). Perhaps you can incorporate this nuance into the relevant sections rather than trying to delete them altogether; how does that sound? There are varying shades of certainty as to what comprises Islam, and this issue is of a clearly a less certain shade than, for instance, the prophethood of Muhammad. We can and should still cover topics having lesser shades of certainty, especially where they are interesting (as here), but must also acknowledge their inferior position in the tradition, as you pointed out. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 18:07, 25 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
I agree probably best to just delete the sources that do not support the argument and just leave the ones that do. (Sauron) | |||
: Yes, although some of those sources are still good for the claim that these women 'were perfect' - but these footnotes/references should just appear in the cell containing the body text, not in the right-most cell, which purports to contain the reference for their relationships to Muhammad. I'll make some basic edits to this effect which you can add to later, if you'd like. Thanks again for bringing this up - it is important that the wiki does not contain false/misleading claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 21:53, 29 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
: I updated the page with proper referencing and nuanced the claims. [[User:IbnPinker|IbnPinker]] ([[User talk:IbnPinker|talk]]) 22:50, 29 January 2021 (UTC) | |||
Thank you IbnPinker.(Sauron) | |||
==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines#cite_note-92 List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]== | ==[https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Muhammads_Wives_and_Concubines#cite_note-92 List of Muhammad's Wives and Concubines]== | ||
Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says: | Hayat Al-Qulub Vol. 2, (pg 415) the 4th mentioned reference which you did not read, says: | ||
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:Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on. | :Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on. | ||
:I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST) | :I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST) | ||
Hi there, just wanting to know your thoughts. What is the best way to make someone learn the truth about islam? I tried to convince my brother but it seems that he always have an answer to every issues. I know that his answer was wrong but he seems to be so sure about it. I tried to rectify but he won't accept it. It seems impossible to make someone realise that this is an evil religion. | |||
:Yes its very difficult to convince anyone about their religion of birth. You can try picking up one topic (for example evolution), become knowledgeable about it and be persistent. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:07, 26 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Thank you. I'll try that. Seems pointless sometimes but yes i think maybe the best way is to focus on one topic. | |||
== Hi == | |||
Are you active here? I needed some contacts from Exmna... Do you know any? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 18:07, 11 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
Not really active here. Sorry, yeah. | |||