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:The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together. | :The other information/hadiths contain the other information that is mentioned in the piece of text. It all goes together. | ||
:Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues. | :Basically again, you are wanting to removed sourced information from the page. We have spent enough time on this issue. As I pointed out its all sourced the fact that Muhammad said Queen Asiya will be one of his wives in heaven is a minor issue in Islam, compared to other more important issues. | ||
:--[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST) | :A valid criticism of this page is that the individual statements should have been sourced individually so its easy to cross-check. Thats something that you could have pointed out. If you agree, we can add it to the Tasks page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 06:36, 20 January 2016 (EST) | ||
I made a mistake thinking it was ahmadiyya because of the website that hosted the work. http://www.al-islam.org/ I thought it was an ahmadiyya but it was a shia website. https://www.alislam.org is an ahmadiyya website. I thought users could edit the work and the edit would then be moderated by say 10 moderators before it is approved? I am a panentheist maybe a pantheist one day but for now a panentheist. No religion, because 'God'/Nature/Zeus/Tao/whatever you want to call it already gave me Reason which is a Divine Scripture itself. | |||
I don't think I properly understand your last statement, maybe yes i should agree. Probably only if the statement doesn't have a common theme like the ones i pointed out. The hadith points out that the 4 girls were perfect while the majlisi said god married muhammad to the girls. So, yes it shouldn't be in the same column. | |||
:Ok. | |||
:It would have been nice if the statements would have been individually sourced e.g. statement 1 (source 1). statement 2 (source 2). Instead its statement 1, and 2 (source 1 and 2). So its not clear what text is coming from which source. I've added it to the task list. It will be a difficult task but it would be nice if that was there. The author who wrote it suddenly saved a lot of text or else we would have told them how to do it. | |||
:As for shia/sunni/other sects, I dont think it weakens criticism of Islam. It is up to the apologist to explain why a certain sect is invalid and they will be unable to do so as all sects think they're the most correct sect and cant offer any evidence for that claim. In reality they are equally valid (as parts of Islam and as sources for criticism) because again Quran never mentions which sect is the right one. If something is mentioned in minority sect 1, it doesnt mean it never happened. If the author is a known scholar, religious figure (like Majlisi), then it should be acceptable to use it as a source. | |||
:People (nonbelievers of Islam in particular because they have no obligation to any sect) cannot fall into the trap of "one sect #1 is valid and everything else is invalid". --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:09, 20 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Yes i agree that we could use different sects but it would still be better state the affiliation of the author(sect) so that viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo just because there are statements that goes directly with their source/what they/their sect consider as valid. Btw, thanks. | |||
:''"viewers wouldn't just dismiss this website as mumbo jumbo"'' - Those viewers already reject the website due to one reason or another because its critical of Islam so what they think of the website is not important. | |||
:Tagging could be done due to other reasons but its not an easy task. People would have to decide, if its really important or not and worth doing, if its practical/beneficial, pros/cons, how to show the different sects (small super script notations e.g. how its done here [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/The_Holy_Qur%27an:_Luqman_(Luqman)], notice the different superscript letters), which sects to show, what content is affected, how it affects translations/other language domains and so on. | |||
:I think its a waste of time for now. There are a lot of other important things to do in our [[tasks]] page before something like this can be investigated. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:26, 21 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Hi there, just wanting to know your thoughts. What is the best way to make someone learn the truth about islam? I tried to convince my brother but it seems that he always have an answer to every issues. I know that his answer was wrong but he seems to be so sure about it. I tried to rectify but he won't accept it. It seems impossible to make someone realise that this is an evil religion. | |||
:Yes its very difficult to convince anyone about their religion of birth. You can try picking up one topic (for example evolution), become knowledgeable about it and be persistent. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 19:07, 26 January 2016 (EST) | |||
Thank you. I'll try that. Seems pointless sometimes but yes i think maybe the best way is to focus on one topic. | |||
== Hi == | |||
Are you active here? I needed some contacts from Exmna... Do you know any? [[User:Saggy|Saggy]] ([[User talk:Saggy|talk]]) 18:07, 11 June 2017 (EDT) | |||
Not really active here. Sorry, yeah. | |||