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:In regards to your comments about Quran getting long if additional detail was added, no it would not. Ideally Quran should not be [https://www.google.com/search?q=quran+repetitive&spell=1&sa=X&ei=f-uIU8CoGoWSqAbizoC4DQ&ved=0CCYQvwUoAA&biw=1920&bih=860 repetitive] and for example contain the same statement [http://quran.com/55/37-78 31 times] (''"So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?"''). 30 of these verses should have been deleted from the Quran and the same words could have been used to fill out many details or perhaps include amazing [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Miracles miraculous] verses which would attempt to prove the 'divine' origin of the Quran. In the case of 4:16, it would take only one arabic word to clarify the meaning of this important verse. Mistakes like these further prove the non-divine origin of the Quran and this is realized by those [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam who have left Islam] and some of them have submitted testimonies on our site using an [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate online form]. You're welcome to use that form in the future if you change your mind about Islam. But such debates are for the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] which you can visit.  
:In regards to your comments about Quran getting long if additional detail was added, no it would not. Ideally Quran should not be [https://www.google.com/search?q=quran+repetitive&spell=1&sa=X&ei=f-uIU8CoGoWSqAbizoC4DQ&ved=0CCYQvwUoAA&biw=1920&bih=860 repetitive] and for example contain the same statement [http://quran.com/55/37-78 31 times] (''"So which of the favors of your Lord would you deny?"''). 30 of these verses should have been deleted from the Quran and the same words could have been used to fill out many details or perhaps include amazing [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Miracles miraculous] verses which would attempt to prove the 'divine' origin of the Quran. In the case of 4:16, it would take only one arabic word to clarify the meaning of this important verse. Mistakes like these further prove the non-divine origin of the Quran and this is realized by those [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/People_Who_Left_Islam who have left Islam] and some of them have submitted testimonies on our site using an [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Special:Form/newapostate online form]. You're welcome to use that form in the future if you change your mind about Islam. But such debates are for the [http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/ FFI forum] which you can visit.  
:Let me know if you have any other issues relating to this article or comments that could result in the improvement of the page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:41, 30 May 2014 (PDT)
:Let me know if you have any other issues relating to this article or comments that could result in the improvement of the page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 13:41, 30 May 2014 (PDT)
I know that u quote authentic, recognized translations and well-renowed Islamic scholars, but you're ignoring the fact that Muslims believe only the Qur'an doesn't contain mistakes (in addition to Hadiths that were truly told by Prophet Muhammad PBUH), so even scholars and translators commit mistakes (example: Ibn-Abbas (Or Ibn-Kathir, I don't remember) said while explaining a verse that the Earth is flat. Does that mean Islam believes Earth is flat? No, it's just that he committed a mistake based on what they thought back then) 
I, too, like these discussions because whenever I take part in one, I find out that Islam is always prejudged.
As for why the same verse was repeated 31 times, I don't know why, and no one can know why because God is all-knowing (but I'm sure it has to contain some "miraculous" meaning as you were saying, so discussions about Islam based on the "reason" of saying something in the Qur'an are invalid because God knows the reasons of what we do, but the opposite isn't correct. So, the "divine" origin of the Qur'an as you like to quote it is proved not by the reason (although it is proved based on the reaspons in some places that we know about), but rather by the divine "meaning", "miraculous" verses and other fields...
Don't worry, I'll not change my mind anytime soon because I'm sure of my religion. And again I'll repeat, repeating something for its importance is not considered a mistake, and not mentioning something is also not considered a mistake.
As for faithfreedom, I registered there when you suggested that I do, but I've still not gotten an answer yet... Seems they didn't accept my membership for some reason (or I made a mistake of some kind, but I don't think so)
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