Islamic Views on the Shape of the Earth: Revision history

24 May 2025

• curprev 00:4600:46, 24 May 2025‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 137,133 bytes +23‎ Removed long but irrelevant academic quote and reddit link to google translation of tafsirs (need to use credible sources, already have similar link to better source). Corrected another change as the earliest tafsirs rarely comment on the literalism of the muddy spring story but focus on the variant readings "muddy" or "hot", not to be confused with interpretation. Removed another unimportant addition which interupted an argument flow. Added debunk of a new "diameters" argument. [automatically checked]

9 February 2025

• curprev 17:1117:11, 9 February 2025‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 137,110 bytes +62‎ →‎The spring where the sun sets: Added in part 2 to this section. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

29 November 2024

• curprev 22:5622:56, 29 November 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 137,048 bytes +467‎ →‎Mount Qaf: Added two notable exegetes with links to this on an Islamic website. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

9 September 2024

• curprev 22:4322:43, 9 September 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 136,581 bytes +2,207‎ →‎The Earth on the back of the Islamic Whale: Have added another popular exegetical tradition of Mount Qaf (also found in commentary on other verses like Mutaqil Ibn Suliman having Dhul-Qarnayn travel there in Surah 18) supporting a flat Earth cosmology, and provided an academic reference for it. Also linked to the general Wikipedia page for those looking for more info. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

28 July 2024

• curprev 11:5811:58, 28 July 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 134,374 bytes +224‎ →‎Qur'an 18:86 and 18:90 - setting and rising places of the sun: Minor changes of text from links and highlighting both sun setting in a muddy spring articles, as I believe the second is best. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]
• curprev 11:5311:53, 28 July 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 134,150 bytes +1,049‎ →‎Qur'an 71:19 - bisaatan ("carpet"): Added in a similar parallel, and mention of hell as a spread-out resting place linked to other views on hell being the lowest disc on the seven earths. Referenced Nicolai Sinai's book. Tag: Visual edit

10 June 2024

• curprev 15:2415:24, 10 June 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 133,101 bytes +1,371‎ →‎Direct references to a flat Earth in the Qur'an: Have added a small sentence on other uses of 'al-ard' as the whole earth linked on Quran Corpus, which I believe shows the context more clearly. And a small paragraph at the end on how easy it would be to state a verse is from the human perspective without the flat-earth cosmological view. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

16 April 2024

• curprev 20:4620:46, 16 April 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 131,730 bytes +1,823‎ →‎Flat Earth in tafsirs: Added further academic references to back up statements that before the translation movement religious authorities/Muslims believed, based on the Quran, that the earth was flat. Tag: Visual edit

15 April 2024

• curprev 20:0020:00, 15 April 2024‎ Exmuslimfrancais talk contribs‎ m 129,907 bytes +87‎ Added a source Tag: Visual edit

3 April 2024

• curprev 09:1609:16, 3 April 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 129,820 bytes +851‎ →‎Ibn Kathir (d. 1373): Added in verse showing Ibn Kathir was directly aware of astronomer's works when writing the tafsir - highlighting the connection between them and the influence they had on later tafsirs. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

14 February 2024

• curprev 21:1621:16, 14 February 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 128,969 bytes +808‎ →‎The spring where the sun sets: Added another important early tafsir (the earliest) on this verse confirming the literal setting (rising and) place of the sun in a hot muddy spring, which is of course only possible on a flat Earth. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

9 February 2024

• curprev 23:4823:48, 9 February 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 128,161 bytes +366‎ →‎Flat Earth in the hadiths: Added in a link to the Science and the Seven Earths pages where relevant. And a small line highlighting (and linking to) the many verses Al-Jalalayn believed showed a clear flat earth - not only the one listed. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

5 February 2024

• curprev 12:4112:41, 5 February 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 127,795 bytes +945‎ →‎The spring where the sun sets: Have added in the point that I don't think has been made before - that alongside the many early tafsir writers listed as being flat-earthers, so mostly likely were all the major hadith collectors, who were themselves key scholars of early Islam. Tag: Visual edit

9 January 2024

• curprev 22:1722:17, 9 January 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ 126,850 bytes +1,930‎ →‎Greek astronomical knowledge: I have added in another section from an Islamic scholar on Greek astronomical knowledge being advanced upon and gaining traction with caliph sponsorship, highlighting one of Al-Ma'mun's accomplishments and patronaging, which can explain how later tafsir/commentators gained this knowledge. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Asmith]

2 January 2024

• curprev 18:5418:54, 2 January 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 124,920 bytes +568‎ →‎The spring where the sun sets: I've also added in an article from a scholar on this topic with a link to an excellent article discussing this issue. Tag: Visual edit

1 January 2024

• curprev 22:1422:14, 1 January 2024‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 124,352 bytes +330‎ →‎The spring where the sun sets: have added a link to a much longer list of Islamic scholars/tafsirs on this verse showing how it was taken before round Earth views were spread. Tag: Visual edit

29 September 2023

• curprev 01:0001:00, 29 September 2023‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 124,022 bytes +146‎ →‎Qur'an 2:144 - praying towards the Ka'bah [automatically checked]
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27 September 2023

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• curprev 00:0400:04, 27 September 2023‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 123,536 bytes +1‎ →‎See Also [automatically checked]
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26 September 2023

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23 September 2023

• curprev 09:5909:59, 23 September 2023‎ CPO675 talk contribs‎ m 124,728 bytes +643‎ →‎The Earth is flat, but only from a human perspective: Added in two more sentences adding to summarising the argument from a 'human perspective'. Corrected a typo. And added in links to other relevant wikiilsam pages, as well as one to the modern Flat Earth Society which lists these verses, along with many other religions verses as support for their theory - while this is more humorous than 'scholarship', I believe it is fitting in the 'See Also' section as it still drives the point. Tag: Visual edit [checked by Lightyears]

11 September 2023

• curprev 09:4409:44, 11 September 2023‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 124,085 bytes +1‎ Test (we are trying to fix the pending edits feature which had to be disabled a month ago) [automatically checked]

15 July 2023

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14 July 2023

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12 May 2023

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5 April 2023

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29 March 2023

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28 March 2023

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15 February 2023

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5 February 2023

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29 January 2023

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23 October 2022

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10 August 2022

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3 August 2022

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17 July 2022

• curprev 11:4411:44, 17 July 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 116,405 bytes +2,669‎ Dahaha used for flat earth in poem by Zayd b. 'Amr [automatically checked]

17 June 2022

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16 June 2022

• curprev 16:1316:13, 16 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 113,693 bytes +1,992‎ No edit summary [automatically checked]
• curprev 12:5012:50, 16 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 111,701 bytes +859‎ 79:30 deserves to be in main section too [automatically checked]
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15 June 2022

• curprev 15:2715:27, 15 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ m 108,413 bytes −1‎ →‎Oblate vs prolate spheroids (earth vs egg shape) [automatically checked]
• curprev 15:2015:20, 15 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 108,414 bytes +1,402‎ Context added for verses (almost all the direct verses are expressly in the context of the creation of the entire heavens and earth) [automatically checked]

13 June 2022

• curprev 13:2713:27, 13 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 107,012 bytes +731‎ →‎Qur'an 2:187 and 17:78 - fasting and prayer times [automatically checked]

9 June 2022

• curprev 22:2522:25, 9 June 2022‎ Lightyears talk contribs‎ 106,281 bytes −1‎ →‎Oblate vs prolate spheroids (egg vs earth shapes) [automatically checked]
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