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====Muhammad wanted to forbid FGM but couldn't====
====Muhammad wanted to forbid FGM but couldn't====
The full argument is that Muhammad wanted to forbid FGM couldn't because he felt that the society wherein he lived was not ready to immediately do this, so in the Qur'an and by his Sunnah he prepared the ground for eventual abolition of the practice. The same argument is made with respect to slavery.     
The full argument is that Muhammad wanted to forbid FGM could not because he felt that the society wherein he lived was not ready to immediately do this, so in the Qur'an and by his Sunnah he prepared the ground for eventual abolition of the practice. The same argument is often made with respect to Islamic slavery.   
 
What evidence is there that Muhammad wished FGM to be abolished?   
 
The hadith that scholars are so ready to dismiss as daif (weak) when used as evidence that Muhammad approved of FGM, is sometimes mobilised, and treated as if it were sahih when used as evidence that he wanted to moderate the practice....   
 
Other than this there is no evidence - instead he affirmed the practices that cause FGM: polygyny, sex-slavery - and also affirmed sister-practices (practices that emerge from the same causes, that create a normative, legal and isntitutional sturcutre that supports, justifies and normalises FGM) - child marriage, bride-price...     


Muhammad was not shy of forbidding things which would have been dear to the people he ruled over - [[Intoxicants and Recreation in Islamic Law|pigs and pork products,]] [[Intoxicants and Recreation in Islamic Law|alcohol, gambling]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Music|music and singing]] - things that, when indulged in with moderation, give harmless pleasure.     
Muhammad was not shy of forbidding things which would have been dear to the people he ruled over - [[Intoxicants and Recreation in Islamic Law|pigs and pork products,]] [[Intoxicants and Recreation in Islamic Law|alcohol, gambling]], [[Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Music|music and singing]] - things that, when indulged in with moderation, give harmless pleasure.     
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{{Quote|[http://archive.today/2021.04.10-062324/https://islamqa.info/en/answers/6682/selling-alcohol-to-kaafirs Selling alcohol to kaafirs Islam Q&A 2000]|“[Mohammed] cursed alcohol and the one who drinks it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who consumes its price, the one who squeezes the grapes and the one for whom they are squeezed.”}}
{{Quote|[http://archive.today/2021.04.10-062324/https://islamqa.info/en/answers/6682/selling-alcohol-to-kaafirs Selling alcohol to kaafirs Islam Q&A 2000]|“[Mohammed] cursed alcohol and the one who drinks it, the one who sells it, the one who buys it, the one who carries it, the one to whom it is carried, the one who consumes its price, the one who squeezes the grapes and the one for whom they are squeezed.”}}
Mohammed has served to fix slavery and FGM, rather than reduce it. We can see that slavery and fGM are still rife in the islamic world whereas FGM and slavery are disappearing from the non-Islamic world?.   
Likewise, if Muhammad had personally abstained from slavery, instead of being an enthusiastic and relentless capturer, trader and enjoyer of slaves - this argument might be more coherent.       


the Qur'an's and hadith's approval of FGM and slavery have been a major factor in the justification of perpetuation of the practice. One can speculate whether FGM would still be endemic to the Islamic world if the Qur'an contained a single verse explicitly forbidding it, or if there were not FGM in the hadith.     
the Qur'an's and hadith's approval of FGM and slavery have been a major factor in the justification of perpetuation of the practice. One can speculate whether FGM would still be endemic to the Islamic world if the Qur'an contained a single verse explicitly forbidding it, or if there were not FGM in the hadith.     


Forbid many other things 
Mohammed successfully demanded that his followers abstain from pleasurable and/or beneficial things such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, interest in debt, the public display of women’s faces, instrumental music, and art that depicts the human form, the easy mixing and socialisation of men and women – how much more willingly would his followers have abandoned a practice that is harmful, and that must be distressing for loving parents to perform and witness?
 
Mohammed successfully demanded that his followers abstain from pleasurable and/or beneficial things such as eating pork, drinking alcohol, interest in debt, the public display of women’s faces, instrumental music, and art that depicts the human form, the easy mixing and socialisation of men and women – how much more willingly would his followers have abandoned a practice that is harmful, and that must be distressing for loving parents to perform and witness?


==See Also==
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