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:::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Animals&diff=prev&oldid=109252#Sacrifices Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Animals] is a very good addition to the page. Ritual slaughter is described in all Abrahamic texts, but there are several differences here in comparison to the other two big faiths: | :::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Animals&diff=prev&oldid=109252#Sacrifices Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Animals] is a very good addition to the page. Ritual slaughter is described in all Abrahamic texts, but there are several differences here in comparison to the other two big faiths: | ||
:::::::1. Concerning Christians, they do not perform ritual | :::::::1. Concerning Christians, they do not perform ritual slaughter, nor did Jesus ever perform a ritual slaughter. | ||
:::::::2. Concerning Jews, yes they do perform ritual slaughter, but they do not go around telling people that Moses loved animals and that he is an excellent role-model for today's socially conscientious youth. | :::::::2. Concerning Jews, yes they do perform ritual slaughter, but they do not go around telling people that Moses loved animals and that he is an excellent role-model for today's socially conscientious youth. | ||
:::::::3. On the other hand, a lot of apologists do try to convert young people to Islam by trying to sell the idea that Muhammad was a progressive man who loved animals. | :::::::3. On the other hand, a lot of apologists do try to convert young people to Islam by trying to sell the idea that Muhammad was a progressive man who loved animals. | ||
:::::::So, considering the above, it is very relevant in the QHS:Animals page to quote proof that Muhammad not only ordered the slaughter of animals, but also partook in it himself. | :::::::So, considering the above, it is very relevant in the QHS:Animals page to quote proof that Muhammad not only ordered the ritual slaughter of animals, but also partook in it himself. | ||
:::::::I also agree with Saggy that the "kindness to animals" hadith do not fit in with that page. I certainly did not add them and I do not think they should remain. A section like that does not belong on a wiki critical of Islam. If it was added with the intention of making the wiki appear more "neutral" then I can safely say that it will ''never'' convince anyone that the wiki is neutral, but it does make the page look odd and will probably confuse people. | :::::::I also agree with Saggy that the "kindness to animals" hadith do not fit in with that page. I certainly did not add them and I do not think they should remain. A section like that does not belong on a wiki critical of Islam. If it was added with the intention of making the wiki appear more "neutral" then I can safely say that it will ''never'' convince anyone that the wiki is neutral, but it does make the page look odd and will probably confuse people. | ||
:::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Cosmology&diff=109253&oldid=109212 Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Cosmology] does not belong in the Creation page (it is too vague for that and the Creation page is very specific), but it | :::::::I think the edit Saggy made to [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Cosmology&diff=109253&oldid=109212 Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Cosmology] does not belong in the Creation page (it is too vague for that and the Creation page is very specific), but it can be squeezed in with cosmology because it describes Allah's "Throne" etc. In all honesty though, I would just remove that last edit by Saggy and move it to a temp page until somewhere more suited is found (I don't think it really talks about cosmology or creation in a very coherent way). Or at the very least, keep it on the cosmology page but trim it down to only include the relevant information (e.g., as Saggy noted, "Some uterus is attached to that throne. It will react on Judgement Day and so on."). | ||
:::::::About the triangular brackets; I'm guessing they are there because Saggy copy/pasted text from Answering Islam. This is a concern to me. The last time we had an editor who got carried away with copy/pasting stuff from there, things didn't turn out so well (It was this by OsmanHassan that left us with those Errors pages in such a mess). If you are not going to bother removing the emphasis added by the | :::::::About the triangular brackets; I'm guessing they are there because Saggy copy/pasted text from Answering Islam. This is a concern to me. The last time we had an editor who got carried away with copy/pasting stuff from there, things didn't turn out so well (It was this by OsmanHassan that left us with those Errors pages in such a mess). If you are not going to bother removing the emphasis added by the Answering Islam team (such as brackets, underlining and caps) you really should not be using them. | ||
:::::::Another concern is the fact that the tafsir is not being cited properly. ''Ibn Kathir, "Interpretation of Qur'an 47:22"'' is not a reference. If an online version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir is going to quoted, then it should be cited like [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Creation#Ibn_Kathir_2 this] (notice the archived URL and the actual heading of each section provided in the tafsir). | :::::::Another concern is the fact that the tafsir is not being cited properly. ''Ibn Kathir, "Interpretation of Qur'an 47:22"'' is not a reference. If an online version of Tafsir Ibn Kathir is going to quoted, then it should be cited more like [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Creation#Ibn_Kathir_2 this] (Not exactly an up-to-date example of a reference because it does not use any CiteWeb templates. Nevertheless, notice the archived URL and the actual heading of each section provided in the tafsir being quoted). | ||
:::::::At Saggy: What does "I know what he's likely to say" mean? Honestly, I would really like to know what you think you know, because I highly doubt you know what I'm going to say. I'll admit I usually think you edits should be removed. But that is because they are usually terrible. In this case, they are not wholly terrible (in the first case, it was actually a good addition and a good observation concerning the "Kindness" hadith). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:51, 16 August 2014 (PDT) | :::::::At Saggy: What does "I know what he's likely to say" mean? Honestly, I would really like to know what you think you know, because I highly doubt you know what I'm going to say. I'll admit I usually think you edits should be removed. But that is because they are usually terrible. In this case, they are not wholly terrible (in the first case, it was actually a good addition and a good observation concerning the "Kindness" hadith). [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 03:51, 16 August 2014 (PDT) | ||