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The hadith is mutawaatir when there is "no possibility" that so many people could agree on a lie. So it's very subjective. Some scholar might think that 4 chains are enough, other might think that 70 chains are needed. | The hadith is mutawaatir when there is "no possibility" that so many people could agree on a lie. So it's very subjective. Some scholar might think that 4 chains are enough, other might think that 70 chains are needed. | ||
* There were thousands of Muslims available when the hadiths were written, so even if most Muslims were honest, it wouldn't be hard to find 4, 5 or 70+ liars. | *There were thousands of Muslims available when the hadiths were written, so even if most Muslims were honest, it wouldn't be hard to find 4, 5 or 70+ liars. | ||
* Most sahih hadiths are not mutawaatir, but they are accepted anyway (because all people in the chain supposedly always tell the truth) | *Most sahih hadiths are not mutawaatir, but they are accepted anyway (because all people in the chain supposedly always tell the truth) | ||
==False chains== | ==False chains== | ||
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So a big number of chains means that the content of the hadith is 100% from Muhammad. But anyone can make a false chain of narrators for his made up hadith: | So a big number of chains means that the content of the hadith is 100% from Muhammad. But anyone can make a false chain of narrators for his made up hadith: | ||
* If a person who writes the hadiths makes up his own hadith, he can include "many" (4, 5... or 70) made up chains and it will be called "mutawaatir" | |||
** This shows that a hadith can be mutawaatir even though it has 0 authentic chains, not even partially authentic | *If a person who writes the hadiths makes up his own hadith, he can include "many" (4, 5... or 70) made up chains and it will be called "mutawaatir" | ||
* If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people who narrate the oral traditions to the person who writes the hadiths make up false chains, the hadith will be called "mutawaatir" | **This shows that a hadith can be mutawaatir even though it has 0 authentic chains, not even partially authentic | ||
* If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people who, narrated to the people who narrated to the person who will write the hadiths, made up false chains, the hadith will be called "mutawaatir" | *If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people who narrate the oral traditions to the person who writes the hadiths make up false chains, the hadith will be called "mutawaatir" | ||
* If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people heard an authentic report from Muhammad, but weren't sure what exactly he said and consulted each other and the most confident of them "assured" them that his version is correct (although it wasn't) and then they narrated it to the people etc.. it will be called "mutawaatir" | *If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people who, narrated to the people who narrated to the person who will write the hadiths, made up false chains, the hadith will be called "mutawaatir" | ||
* If 70 honest people heard from other honest people who heard from other honest people.. an authentic report from Muhammad and then they narrated it to the person who will write the hadiths, but they knew only the names of the people who told them and didn't know the names of the people who told to the people who told them, then the hadith is unreliable. | *If "many" (4, 5... or 70) people heard an authentic report from Muhammad, but weren't sure what exactly he said and consulted each other and the most confident of them "assured" them that his version is correct (although it wasn't) and then they narrated it to the people etc.. it will be called "mutawaatir" | ||
*If 70 honest people heard from other honest people who heard from other honest people.. an authentic report from Muhammad and then they narrated it to the person who will write the hadiths, but they knew only the names of the people who told them and didn't know the names of the people who told to the people who told them, then the hadith is unreliable. | |||
==Tawatur in transmission of the Quran== | ==Tawatur in transmission of the Quran== | ||
Some apologists think that the Quran was perfectly preserved, because there is a tawaatur in its transmission. The point of tawaatur is that many people say the same thing, therefore it must be true, but in the case of the Quran, many people say different things. We have many versions (qira'aat) of the Arabic Quran. We have 10 " | Some apologists think that the Quran was perfectly preserved, because there is a tawaatur in its transmission. The point of tawaatur is that many people say the same thing, therefore it must be true, but in the case of the Quran, many people say different things. We have many versions (qira'aat) of the Arabic Quran. We have 10 "qurra" ("reciters"): | ||
* Ibn Kathir al-Makki | *Ibn Kathir al-Makki | ||
* Abu 'Amr Ibn al-'Ala' | *Abu 'Amr Ibn al-'Ala' | ||
* Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud - a famous rawi Hafs transmitted from him | *Aasim ibn Abi al-Najud - a famous rawi Hafs transmitted from him | ||
* Hamzah az-Zaiyyat | *Hamzah az-Zaiyyat | ||
* Al-Kisa'i | *Al-Kisa'i | ||
* Ya'qub al-Yamani | *Ya'qub al-Yamani | ||
* Khalaf | *Khalaf | ||
* Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi | *Ibn Amir ad-Dimashqi | ||
* Abu Ja'far | *Abu Ja'far | ||
* Nafi‘ al-Madani - a famous rawi Warsh transmitted from him | *Nafi‘ al-Madani - a famous rawi Warsh transmitted from him | ||
And for every qari, there are two rawi's which also sometimes differ, even though they had the same teacher. The most popular version of the Arabic Quran today is the version of Hafs, who was one of the students of Aasim. Since other versions of the Quran differ from Hafs' version, the most popular version of the Quran is ahad. And even if all 10 qari had exactly the same text of the Quran, according to some scholars mutawaatir requires 70 chains, so 60 chains would be missing. | And for every qari, there are two rawi's which also sometimes differ, even though they had the same teacher. The most popular version of the Arabic Quran today is the version of Hafs, who was one of the students of Aasim. Since other versions of the Quran differ from Hafs' version, the most popular version of the Quran is ahad. And even if all 10 qari had exactly the same text of the Quran, according to some scholars mutawaatir requires 70 chains, so 60 chains would be missing. | ||
* Apologists assume that there are parallel chains of unmentioned Muslims for the Hafs version, which makes it mutawatir. It's reasonable to assume that many other Muslims were memorizing the Quran, but the claim that the other people's version was 100% identical to the Hafs version is unsubstantiated. | *Apologists assume that there are parallel chains of unmentioned Muslims for the Hafs version, which makes it mutawatir. It's reasonable to assume that many other Muslims were memorizing the Quran, but the claim that the other people's version was 100% identical to the Hafs version is unsubstantiated. | ||
==References== | ==References== | ||
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