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::Thanks for your frankness.  I think I'll try to insert the full edit, along with cites, that I first started to work on, and see what happens.  Regarding hand-chopping, there are verses in the Bible that say homosexuals, disobedient sons, and adulterers should all be killed, and Jesus supposedly said that not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded, but just the same, modern-day Christianity ''has'' opted to reject those verses, yet to keep others, and still  continues to be a major influence in the world.  Christianity has adapted significantly over the centuries, and much of it for the better.  It's had a 700 year head-start over Islam.  There are also verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven.  As with the Bible, both books are filled with contradictions.  Personally, as a Christian, I pick and choose which parts resonate with me, and which don't.  I think that whether or not most other Christians would admit it, they all do that too.  How many Christians do you know these days that stone all of those "evil-doers" as mentioned above?   
 
::Thanks for your frankness.  I think I'll try to insert the full edit, along with cites, that I first started to work on, and see what happens.  Regarding hand-chopping, there are verses in the Bible that say homosexuals, disobedient sons, and adulterers should all be killed, and Jesus supposedly said that not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded, but just the same, modern-day Christianity ''has'' opted to reject those verses, yet to keep others, and still  continues to be a major influence in the world.  Christianity has adapted significantly over the centuries, and much of it for the better.  It's had a 700 year head-start over Islam.  There are also verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven.  As with the Bible, both books are filled with contradictions.  Personally, as a Christian, I pick and choose which parts resonate with me, and which don't.  I think that whether or not most other Christians would admit it, they all do that too.  How many Christians do you know these days that stone all of those "evil-doers" as mentioned above?   
 
::At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens.  My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims!  Don't ask me why, I couldn't say.  So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here.  Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
 
::At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens.  My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims!  Don't ask me why, I couldn't say.  So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here.  Thanks, [[User:Scottperry|Scottperry]] ([[User talk:Scottperry|talk]]) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
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::Ok. Well that is all good stuff for debate.
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:: So for your edit [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Muslim_Statistics&diff=107924&oldid=101364] you would first add it on the Education page (possibly Worldwide section here [http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_-_Education_and_Employment#Worldwide]) and after that the main Statistics edit that you made can be restored. Stuff on that page is mentioned and sourced in the sub-pages. You'll notice though that all the stuff in these Stats pages is quotes -- and I think thats a problem. But as long as what you put in cannot be disputed or challenged it should be fine so the more sources you can add the better. Yea try it and we'll see how it looks. In this case case you would need to provide proof that these named countries were really under the influence of soviet communism as Muslims would challenge that and say "those countries did it on their own". This is the kind of sourcing we use and its important as you can see. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 20:04, 23 June 2014 (PDT)

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News

Islam in the news hasn't been updated for a couple of months. Would you like me to make some suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by LawrenceGilmore (talkcontribs) on 13:23, 21 February 2014

Hi Lawrence. Yeah, it hasn't been updated in a while. Another admin (Al-Qaum) is usually in charge of that section but has taken a break. He's told me that he'll be back very soon and will update it fully. But what ideas do you have? --Sahab (talk) 15:45, 21 February 2014 (PST)
I think we should remove the news section until its updated again because its all from December and its not making the main page look good. We can remove the section, switch to auto somehow or update it manually. Another easy option: Just use links and dont put the text of the news website in. Any of these are better than having old news. --Axius (talk) 16:18, 21 February 2014 (PST)
Okay, I'll update it weekly with a few news stories until Al returns. --Sahab (talk) 16:43, 21 February 2014 (PST)
Alright sounds good. I hope you just add external links because its easy. I really dont think there's a lot to gain if the extract/text archiving is done too but I think you said that it keeps the visitor on the site (they can always press 'back'). Its up to you. I wanted to find a feature that allows us to open links in a new window if we ask it to but I couldn't find it. --Axius (talk) 16:47, 21 February 2014 (PST)

There are several benefits gained from the format we are currently using (in addition to keeping visitors on the site):

  1. It's like our very own news site/blog (like how Wikipedia's news section links to WikiNews).
  2. We want WikiIslam to be an all-in-one resource. This helps us achieve that. When it was updated regularly, many readers commented positively on it, mentioning how WikiIslam is the only site they need.
  3. When Al adds news about LGBT issues, converts, apostates, statistics etc., he usually adds it to our relevant articles ("Persecution of...", "Converts to Islam" etc.). If he was no longer quoting these news pages, then those other pages would never be updated. --Sahab (talk) 17:48, 21 February 2014 (PST)
Well yea it does have its benefits - good points. Its just a lot to keep up with on a regular basis. --Axius (talk) 18:08, 21 February 2014 (PST)

"Did you know" portal

How about a "did you know" portal? Then along with new articles, lets put recently improved articles. Saggy (talk) 12:30, 3 April 2014 (PDT)

"Did you know" is a good idea but there's a similar pictorial Islam section at the bottom. I know Main page could be improved but we just dont have enough people at this time to do all the stuff that needs to be done. --Axius (talk | contribs) 15:30, 3 April 2014 (PDT)
As Axius noted, we already have a section on the front page that generates random interesting articles. If we did have such a section, what would be in it? Things like "Did you know... Muhammad Married and had intercourse with a nine-year-old" would look a lot less professional than simply having it the way we have it know (i.e. a heading, "Muhammad and Aisha", followed by a description). Then there is the issue of maintenance. There is no point in adding to our already long to-do list with things that require a lot of work and/or need constant updating. --Sahab (talk) 00:36, 4 April 2014 (PDT)

Is the purpose of this website, to be entirely neutral and scientific, to be biased against Islam, or some combination of the two?

I am personally a Christian, but I have some sympathy for Islam, as I have many Muslim friends who have been quite helpful to me over the years. I have shown them respect, and they have reciprocated. I do not pretend to know what is best for others, any more than I enjoy others pretending to know what is best for myself. I was wondering, is this site meant to ultimately be purely scientific, letting the facts fall where they may, or is it meant to be biased against Islam, preferring to portray views that denigrate Islam whenever possible or convenient? Thanks, Scottperry (talk) 12:55, 23 June 2014 (PDT)

There's a verse in the Quran, 5:38 that says a thief's hands should be cut off. Islam cannot be reformed. If one verse is to be rejected then the whole Quran can be rejected.
This site focuses on criticism of Islam. You can have a good look around first. Start from the site map.
Being biased against Islam is not a bad thing or something to be ashamed of because Islam itself is biased against non-Muslims like me and you since it says we will all burn in Hell for not accepting it (Quran 48:13). Your Muslim friends may be nice people but if they think a thief's hands should not be cut off (Quran 5:38), if they think a wife should not be beaten for disobedience (Quran 4:34), if they dont believe that virgins in Heaven are large breasted (Quran 78:33) then they are not really Muslims and are not believing in actual Quranic verses. They are choosing to reject those verses or defend them in some way.
But do tell us what can be done differently or if you have any suggestions. --Axius (talk | contribs) 15:20, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
Thanks for your frankness. I think I'll try to insert the full edit, along with cites, that I first started to work on, and see what happens. Regarding hand-chopping, there are verses in the Bible that say homosexuals, disobedient sons, and adulterers should all be killed, and Jesus supposedly said that not a "jot" of the Bible should be disregarded, but just the same, modern-day Christianity has opted to reject those verses, yet to keep others, and still continues to be a major influence in the world. Christianity has adapted significantly over the centuries, and much of it for the better. It's had a 700 year head-start over Islam. There are also verses in the Quran that say that there is hope for non-Muslims to enter heaven. As with the Bible, both books are filled with contradictions. Personally, as a Christian, I pick and choose which parts resonate with me, and which don't. I think that whether or not most other Christians would admit it, they all do that too. How many Christians do you know these days that stone all of those "evil-doers" as mentioned above?
At any rate, I don't know if I'll be a very good "fit" here, but I'll try a few edits and see what happens. My "debt" to Islam, as a Christian, is that no less than twice, my life was literally saved by Muslims! Don't ask me why, I couldn't say. So long as you guys are fundamentally honest about your criticisms against Islam here, which we shall see, I shall be happy to contribute here. Thanks, Scottperry (talk) 19:32, 23 June 2014 (PDT)
Ok. Well that is all good stuff for debate.
So for your edit [1] you would first add it on the Education page (possibly Worldwide section here [2]) and after that the main Statistics edit that you made can be restored. Stuff on that page is mentioned and sourced in the sub-pages. You'll notice though that all the stuff in these Stats pages is quotes -- and I think thats a problem. But as long as what you put in cannot be disputed or challenged it should be fine so the more sources you can add the better. Yea try it and we'll see how it looks. In this case case you would need to provide proof that these named countries were really under the influence of soviet communism as Muslims would challenge that and say "those countries did it on their own". This is the kind of sourcing we use and its important as you can see. --Axius (talk | contribs) 20:04, 23 June 2014 (PDT)