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: I understand the template schema and how it works. Problem with the turkish hadiths, that are available online is there is no exact online copy of the bukhari or others, but instead there are classification works of devotees. Since most of the trusted hadith books already contain the same hadiths, and they each even contain the same hadiths in several subsections again and again many times, these devotees have classified and regrouped the hadiths. For example: {{Buhari|763}} , {{Bukhari|4|52|250}}, [http://www.enfal.de/buhari/cihad.htm#_Toc115014243 this] are the same. Bukhari's sahih said to have 9082 hadiths, but the number of unique hadiths are said to be 2761 or so. Buhari's sahih has 97 books, usc.edu has 93. It's almost impossible to find exact match between online sources for hadiths, especially when they are not originated from the same source(same translator). That's why i offered to upload a classified version of the hadiths to wikiislam. [http://muhaddis.org/ Muhaddis.org] has done this classification for sitte and makes this data [http://www.muhaddis.org/ks.zip freely distributable]. | : I understand the template schema and how it works. Problem with the turkish hadiths, that are available online is there is no exact online copy of the bukhari or others, but instead there are classification works of devotees. Since most of the trusted hadith books already contain the same hadiths, and they each even contain the same hadiths in several subsections again and again many times, these devotees have classified and regrouped the hadiths. For example: {{Buhari|763}} , {{Bukhari|4|52|250}}, [http://www.enfal.de/buhari/cihad.htm#_Toc115014243 this] are the same. Bukhari's sahih said to have 9082 hadiths, but the number of unique hadiths are said to be 2761 or so. Buhari's sahih has 97 books, usc.edu has 93. It's almost impossible to find exact match between online sources for hadiths, especially when they are not originated from the same source(same translator). That's why i offered to upload a classified version of the hadiths to wikiislam. [http://muhaddis.org/ Muhaddis.org] has done this classification for sitte and makes this data [http://www.muhaddis.org/ks.zip freely distributable]. | ||
::Thanks for the Zip link. I saved that text file to my computer. | |||
::So if all the sites have different naming systems, we can go with any of the sites and it doesnt matter, like Ihya. | |||
::Glad you know about the template system. A template is good, if when its clicked, it either goes to a separate page for that reference (like the new Turkish Quran template) {{Kuran|2|105}}, or it goes to the individual section like here: {{Bukhari|4|52|250}}. In both cases, the reader can verify the source easily. | |||
::We have different options: | |||
::#Using the current template model and assuming the hadith will stay in Ihya.org. You use only the hadith that you need. If there are multiple hadiths per page, we can link to that page but the reader will just have to search for the relevant hadith themselves. This is easiest option. | |||
::#Copy the needed hadith to our site on a separate Hadith page and our template references that page instead of an external site (our hadith page will still reference an external site). In this system, multiple Hadiths will be on a single page but we can verify each hadith separately, as the link will auto-scroll to the one we need, like here: {{Bukhari|4|52|250}} | |||
::# Some kind of archiving of ''all'' the hadith, but thats too many hadith to put them online. | |||
::So yea I'm thinking (1) is easiest. I like (2) as the best for Hadith, because our template link will always go to a single Hadith. If a Sitte hadith page has 5 hadiths and there's no way to link to each of them individually, then the reader has to hunt for the hadith. You just quote the hadith you want to quote and the link can either be a template link (if possible, like for Buhari which works for us) or a static link, that doesnt use a template. It will work out fine. | |||
::I see Buhari had one hadith per page (or if there are HTML anchor links, those also work like our existing Quran/hadith templates) so the template works for that case. | |||
:: As far as I can see, there's no way to make a template for the Sitte hadith so that when its clicked, it shows one hadith (its own page or section). If this is so, then (2) is the solution for that. We keep the Quran and Buhari as they are, but we use (2) for the Sitte hadith. We can also use (2) for Buhari. Whichever you think is the best/most practical solution. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] ([[User talk:Axius|talk]]) 18:00, 8 March 2013 (PST) | |||