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* Use the translation which is the most easy to understand. | * Use the translation which is the most easy to understand. | ||
* The error is obvious and cannot be attributed to "figure of speech". An example is "We will blow up the sky" (this is just an example and may not be a real verse). This should not be listed as an error. A counter-claim may be that they may have been talking about the sun expanding and engulfing the Earth (this will eventually happen). Errors that can be explained by apologists in this way should not be listed. | * The error is obvious and cannot be attributed to "figure of speech". An example is "We will blow up the sky" (this is just an example and may not be a real verse). This should not be listed as an error. A counter-claim may be that they may have been talking about the sun expanding and engulfing the Earth (this will eventually happen). Errors that can be explained by apologists in this way should not be listed. | ||
* If there is a plausible way that the verse could be interpreted that doesn't indicate an error (from an Islamic worldview where Allah exists), then it is not a demonstrable error unless evidence against the alternative explanation is given. | |||
* The error should contradict what we know from science, history etc. rather than these facts simply causing a theological difficulty. For example, the Quran says that the moon was created for our benefit to reckon time, but we know that the moon existed long before humans. It is more of a theological difficulty why Allah would create it before it was needed. | |||
* Weaker errors can be listed in a separate section at the bottom called "Other Quranic verses" with a note "The following are Quranic verses which may contain figures of speech but are still questionable". For this section, the verses should be listed without any section headings. The reason is that a record of such verses should still be kept but these verses should not be presented as obvious errors. These weaker verses are not as strong as others but they could still be seen as adding to the evidence against the Quran. | * Weaker errors can be listed in a separate section at the bottom called "Other Quranic verses" with a note "The following are Quranic verses which may contain figures of speech but are still questionable". For this section, the verses should be listed without any section headings. The reason is that a record of such verses should still be kept but these verses should not be presented as obvious errors. These weaker verses are not as strong as others but they could still be seen as adding to the evidence against the Quran. | ||
==Constellations == | ==Removed errors / candidates for removal== | ||
A record of the reasons errors were removed in case future editors unknowingly reinstate them. | |||
===Constellations=== | |||
For my edit here [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an&curid=9078&diff=107462&oldid=107458] | For my edit here [http://wikiislam.net/w/index.php?title=Scientific_Errors_in_the_Qur%27an&curid=9078&diff=107462&oldid=107458] | ||
: Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light; [http://quranx.com/25.61] | : Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light; [http://quranx.com/25.61] | ||
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:::::::::::Thanks I agree. Its good to have a short strong page rather than a long weak/mediocre page. | :::::::::::Thanks I agree. Its good to have a short strong page rather than a long weak/mediocre page. | ||
:::::::::::Saggy, please also note what Lightyears said, in particular: ''"Any new errors need to be very strong, '''having carefully considered counter arguments'''"''. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:22, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | :::::::::::Saggy, please also note what Lightyears said, in particular: ''"Any new errors need to be very strong, '''having carefully considered counter arguments'''"''. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 17:22, 23 May 2014 (PDT) | ||
===Only Allah Knows the Gender of a Fetus (31:34)=== | |||
I removed this since it doesn't say "alone" in the Arabic (though it is generally assumed). After it says he knows what is in the wombs it says "and not" rather than "nor". It also doesn't specify anything about gender. Hadiths suggest that it refers to a bunch of things ("his life span, his deeds, and whether he will be among the wretched or the blessed"). | |||
Shakir's translation is most accurate here: "Surely Allah is He with Whom is the knowledge of the hour, and He sends down the rain and He knows what is in the wombs; and no one knows what he shall earn on the morrow; and no one knows in what land he shall die; surely Allah is Knowing, Aware."[[User:Lightyears|Lightyears]] ([[User talk:Lightyears|talk]]) 05:58, 27 May 2014 (PDT) | |||