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Islamic apologists attempt to claim that the “lowest spot on earth” is correctly identified by the Qur’an in one of many miraculous displays of scientific precocity in text.


==Introduction==
==Introduction==


Islamic apologists attempt to claim that the “lowest spot on earth” is  correctly identified by the Qur’an in one of many miraculous displays of scientific precocity in text .. However on closer examination, Muslim claims of miraculous scientific information in the Qur’an are shown to be, yet again ,  a mere deception .
It is from the eve of sura Ar-Rum (The Romans):
 
{{Quote|{{Quran|30|2-3}}|
Summary of the apologetic claim quoted .. [http://www.islam-watch.org/amarkhan/Miracles-of-Quran-Exposed.htm#22 here]
30:2 The Roman Empire has been defeated-
 
 
is about the eve of sura al_room (i.e.the book of romans)  
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(30.2)
 
The Roman Empire has been defeated-
 
30.3


YUSUFALI: In a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-
30:3


PICKTHAL: In the nearer land, and they, after their defeat will be victorious
YUSUF ALI: In a '''land close by''' (أَدْنَى); but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious-


SHAKIR: In a near land, and they, after being vanquished, shall overcome,
PICKTHAL: In '''the nearer land''', and they, after their defeat will be victorious


SHAKIR: In a '''near land''', and they, after being vanquished, shall overcome,


as the word near أَدْنَى can also be translated as lower and hence the above could be read: The Roman Empire was defeated in the lowest land. Then they claim that since the Dead Sea is it the lowest point on earth Muhammad said something that no one could have known.}}
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The claim of apologists involves many arguments ..
as the word near أَدْنَى can also be translated as "lower" and hence the above could be read: "The Roman Empire was defeated in the lowest land". Then they claim that since the Dead Sea is it the lowest point on Earth Muhammad said something that no one could have known.
they start with this lingual argument ..
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1- quran says that the place of the roman_sassanian war is "adna al_ardi"
The claim of apologists involves many arguments. They start with this lingual argument:


2- "adna al_ardi" can mean _hence can be translated as_ "the lowest land on earth"
1- The Quran says that the place of the Roman-Sassanian war is "adna al-ardi" (أدنى الأرض)


so the quran described the place of the roman_sassanian war as the lowest land on earth ..
2- "adna al-ardi" can be translated as "the lowest land on earth"


then they use this conclusion as a premise in a historical argument to prove what that place was ,
So the quran described the place of the Roman-Sassanian war as the lowest land on earth.
then in a geolgraphical argument to prove that place as truly the lowest spot on earth ,
then they come with a historical claim that none could know that at the time of muhamed with natural methods
! then,it required a miracle for him to know that .. there must be a supernatural intervention ..


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Then they use this conclusion as a premise in a historical argument to prove what that place was,
then in a geographical argument to prove that place as truly the lowest spot on earth,
then they come with a historical claim that none could know that at the time of Muhammad with natural methods, then it is supposed to be a miracle for him to know that, so there must be a supernatural intervention.


==Lingual claim==
==Lingual claim==


We shall stop here for a moment to examine this lingual argument ..
We shall stop here for a moment to examine this lingual argument ..
it is clearly an invalid argument .. its obvious invalidity in reasoning comes from the second premise, which says that the word adna "can mean" lowest .. not "necessarily mean" , just "can mean" , yet we have another meaning which is "nearest" , so how we "know" for sure which translation was meant by the author ?  we simply can't, and the argument unfortunately dos not help us in doing so, the argument dose not prove its conclusion at all .
it is clearly an invalid argument .. its obvious invalidity in reasoning comes from the second premise, which says that the word adna "can mean" lowest .. not "necessarily mean" , just "can mean" , yet we have another meaning which is "nearest" , so how we "know" for sure which translation was meant by the author?  we simply can't, and the argument unfortunately dos not help us in doing so, the argument dose not prove its conclusion at all.
 


It is a fundamental of logic that the argument to be valid, it must necessarily prove its conclusion, yet a presence of a counterexample (a possible situation in which the premises are true and the conclusion isn't)  will always render the argument invalid, an unproven assertion, in our situation, the two premises still can be true while the conclusion is not true, simply if mohamed only meant "nearest" , as all commentators and translators has understood all over the time, and among them there was prominent experts in the arabic language .   
It is a fundamental of logic that the argument to be valid, it must necessarily prove its conclusion, yet a presence of a counterexample (a possible situation in which the premises are true and the conclusion isn't)  will always render the argument invalid, an unproven assertion, in our situation, the two premises still can be true while the conclusion is not true, simply if mohamed only meant "nearest" , as all commentators and translators has understood all over the time, and among them there was prominent experts in the arabic language .   
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So ,first of all, muslims have to prove that the quran's writer  "necessarily" meant "lowest" when he said "adna", since its more obvious meaning is "nearest", and that's because, having another _and a more obvious , used by all translators_  meaning of the word is a counterexample which makes it impossible to prove that he _the writer_ "necessarily" meant "lowest" !! it is just a possibility , actually an improbable one !! .
So ,first of all, Muslims have to prove that the Quran's writer  "necessarily" meant "lowest" when he said "adna", since its more obvious meaning is "nearest", and that's because, having another _and a more obvious , used by all translators_  meaning of the word is a counterexample which makes it impossible to prove that he _the writer_ "necessarily" meant "lowest" !! it is just a possibility , actually an improbable one !! .


Its improbable because the writer could say it plainly, in non-equivocal statement, obvious for any one to notice, instead of no one in the whole 14 centuries .
Its improbable because the writer could say it plainly, in non-equivocal statement, obvious for any one to notice, instead of no one in the whole 14 centuries .
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==Conclusion==
==Conclusions==


1- The word "adna" dose NOT mean "low elevation land" at all, in any OLD dictionary, it only means "nearest" , "vile" , "less" and "cheap" ,asserting that it do mean "lowest" is a fallacy of equivocation, it abuses the word since that is not a genuine use of the word in the time of mohammed.
1- The word "adna" dose NOT mean "low elevation land" at all, in any OLD dictionary, it only means "nearest" , "vile" , "less" and "cheap" ,asserting that it do mean "lowest" is a fallacy of equivocation, it abuses the word since that is not a genuine use of the word in the time of mohammed.
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==See also==
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