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 ::However, the two examples I gave you do. The Qasr Ibn Warden church has a pointed arch, while the Deyrulzafran Monastery has a flat arch. My examples disprove the Islamic claim, the examples given thus far do not. [[User:Tatelyle|Tatelyle]] ([[User talk:Tatelyle|talk]]) 03:25, 15 July 2015 (PDT)
+:::This is the original claim which is being refuted:
+::::The '''pointed arch''' so characteristic of Europe's Gothic cathedrals was an invention borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was much stronger than the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans
+:::The refutation of that is present in the existing text as:
+::::"it was in fact the Assyrians (not the Muslims) who first used it as early as 722 BC.[41]"
+:::If you were trying to refute the pointed arch, we cant do that by posting a picture of a circular arch (like Mardin, the picture you posted).
+:::If you disagree please start with quoting the original claim in the quote that you are addressing. This issue will have to wait in any case until and if {{user|Sahab}} comes by. I feel the existing article text does a good job of refuting what is present and its not an emergency to add additional refutation text. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:56, 15 July 2015 (PDT)
+:::: You said: "We cant do that by posting a picture of a circular arch (like Mardin, the picture you posted)."
+:::: Mardin is not a circular arch, it is a flat arch.  In fact, it is probably the flattest arch ever produced in the history of architecture.[[User:Tatelyle|Tatelyle]] ([[User talk:Tatelyle|talk]]) 02:03, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
+:::::The claim (or its response) doesnt mention a flat arch anywhere. Pointed and Rounded archs are mentioned.
+:::::For good criticism, we have to look carefully/closely at what is being claimed and then refute it precisely. The claim is about the pointed arch. If you can find pictures of pointed archs long before Islam came, that would be a good response. For example if you can find a picture for this, it would be great: "it was in fact the Assyrians (not the Muslims) who first used it as early as 722 BC". Or a picture for a pointed arch in that era, long before Islam etc. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 05:07, 23 July 2015 (PDT)
+::::::I gave you an example - the Qasr Ibn Warden Byzantine church just south west of Aleppo. If you look at the picture the central arch is pointed, and is acredited as such in the site literature. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasr_ibn_Wardan#/media/File:QasrIbnWardanChurch.jpg    [[User:Tatelyle|Tatelyle]] ([[User talk:Tatelyle|talk]]) 07:27, 24 July 2015 (PDT)
+:::::::This discussion would be very short, if you had a piece of text that can be referenced (which you have not provided yet throughout this discussion) and if it deals with the Islamic quote in a direct way. I proved that was wrong and the Mardin picture was not relevant (you uploaded two versions of that issue).
+:::::::Currently I only have time to deal with critical issues on the site and I have spent enough time on this issue so this discussion will have to be closed. Thank you. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 16:24, 24 July 2015 (PDT)