User talk:Alfred Russel

Alfred Kroner

Hello good start on the Kroner. But link the videos as references if they are available. Also add the verse that is claimed to be miraculous. Or is it the case that Kroner never heard of any verse? Saggy (talk) 10:46, 5 August 2014 (PDT)

The videos are already linked as references at the bottom of the Kroner article. I have left out the verses because the article is about Zindani's manipulation of the views of scientist so I want to avoid diverting the subject towards whether or not the Quran actually says what Zindani claimed. The important thing is that the scientists who allegedly confirmed the divine origin of the Quran did no such thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alfred Russel (talk • contribs) (Remember to sign your comments)

Looks like the date of the conference is 1979. He says it in the video and from google links. We can just use the year even if the full date isnt available.

I'm also wondering about the verse. If its known what verse it is, maybe it can be mentioned in brief? Up to you though. That could be worked on later too. --Axius (talk | contribs) 17:51, 5 August 2014 (PDT)

The problem with this, apart from distracting the reader from the deception itself, is that we have no idea what the entirety of the verses/hadiths presented to them were. The only one's we are told about are the ones which were vague enough to not be outright incorrect and from which they were able to extract sound bites. By listing the only information we have it is easy to give the false impression that these people were only given a small collection of information, when in fact they were given lots of information and in most cases told Sheikh Zindani the information was outright contradictory to reality. It also wouldn't reflect Sheikh Zindani's approach of modifying the interpretation of the Arabic each time an objection was raised, so we wouldn't even get the verse/hadith text exactly as it was presented to the scientists. (See Pete Palmer page when complete for a description of this process).