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The verse is problematic for multiple different reasons. For example, the available Saddi tafsir translated into Russian (not included in the article) admits that Allah may have the weaknesses his slaves will not be able to find out about. Another example is, if the verse is eternal past the demise of Muhammad, it can be argued that the verse prescribes that the Muslims must not question <i>anything</i> about Islam, including this very article and WikiIslam overall.
The verse is problematic for multiple different reasons. For example, the available Saddi tafsir translated into Russian (not included in the article) admits that Allah may have the weaknesses his slaves will not be able to find out about. Another example is, if the verse is eternal past the demise of Muhammad, it can be argued that the verse prescribes that the Muslims must not question <i>anything</i> about Islam, including this very article and WikiIslam overall.


There= exist two main non-noncondating (i.e. both can be true) narratives about the circumstances of revelation of this verse.
To stay within the scope, this article will only focus on one particular teachings of the Quran, being that <b> the very act of asking questions during the process of the Quranic revelation can change the revelation.</b>


The first narrative describes Muhammad being many questions unrelated to his claimed prophethood (such as about the location of the female camel or someone's father)<ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|145}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4621| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:4621| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|146}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4622| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:4622| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/urn/740590| title = Jami At Tirmidhi - Chapters on Tafsir (Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3056)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Sahih according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{Bukhari|8|75|373}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>Additionally, the Quran from Saudi Arabia mentions that the same story can be found in Ahmad and Muslim</ref>
There exist two main non-contradicting (i.e. both can be true) narratives about the circumstances of revelation of this verse.


One hadith found in Sahih Bukhari<ref>{{Bukhari|8|75|373}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref> mentions specifically Muhammad getting into the family issues, and Allah having to come to the rescue of the situation.
* The first narrative describes Muhammad being many questions unrelated to his claimed prophethood (such as about the location of the female camel or someone's father)<ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|145}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4621| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:4621| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>{{Bukhari|6|60|146}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:4622| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:4622| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/urn/740590| title = Jami At Tirmidhi - Chapters on Tafsir (Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3056)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Sahih according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{Bukhari|8|75|373}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref><ref>Additionally, the Quran from Saudi Arabia mentions that the same story can be found in Ahmad and Muslim</ref>


The second narrative talks about somebody asking whether they need to perform the journey (Hajj) every year, with Muhammad is ultimately affirming that he can affect the sunnah upon his own will. Somebody asks Muhammad whether they need to perform Hajj every year. Muhammad says, "If I were to say yes, it would have become obligatory, and if it were to become obligatory, you would not (be able to) do it, and if you did not do it you would be punished."<ref>{{Ibn Majah||4|25|2884}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2884| title = sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2884| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}}) [Hasan according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{Ibn Majah||4|25|2885}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2885| title = sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2885| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}}) [Sahih according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:814| title = Jami At Tirmizi 814 (Vol. 2, Book 4, Hadith 814)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Daif according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/urn/740580| title = Jami At Tirmizi - Chapters on Tafsir (Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3055)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Daif according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ahmad:905| title = Musnad Ahmad -  Musnad 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib (Book 5, Hadith 333)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Sahih Hadeeth, its isnad is da'eef - according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>According to the Quran from Saudi Arabia, the story is transmitted by Imam Muslim</ref>
: One hadith found in Sahih Bukhari<ref>{{Bukhari|8|75|373}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| title = sunnah.com/bukhari:6362| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}})</ref> mentions specifically Muhammad getting into the family issues, and Allah having to come to the rescue of the situation.
 
* The second narrative talks about somebody asking whether Muslims need to perform the journey (Hajj) every year, with Muhammad is ultimately affirming that he can affect the sunnah upon his own will. Somebody asks Muhammad whether they need to perform Hajj every year. Muhammad says, "If I were to say yes, it would have become obligatory, and if it were to become obligatory, you would not (be able to) do it, and if you did not do it you would be punished."<ref>{{Ibn Majah||4|25|2884}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2884| title = sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2884| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}}) [Hasan according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{Ibn Majah||4|25|2885}} ({{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2885| title = sunnah.com/ibnmajah:2885| publisher = | author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}}) [Sahih according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:814| title = Jami At Tirmizi 814 (Vol. 2, Book 4, Hadith 814)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Daif according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/urn/740580| title = Jami At Tirmizi - Chapters on Tafsir (Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3055)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Daif according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>{{external link| url = https://sunnah.com/ahmad:905| title = Musnad Ahmad -  Musnad 'Ali Ibn Abi Talib (Book 5, Hadith 333)| publisher = sunnah.com| author = | date = | archiveurl = | deadurl = no}} [Sahih Hadeeth, its isnad is da'eef - according to sunnah.com]</ref><ref>According to the Quran from Saudi Arabia, the story is transmitted by Imam Muslim</ref>




Both narratives are included in Asbab Al-Nuzul.
Both narratives are included in Asbab Al-Nuzul.


Regardless whichever particular circumstances were (or both, if complementary) during the claimed revelation, both the circumstances, the plain reading of the Quran and multiple exegeses found in the tafsir confirm, that <b>Allah confirms that the very act of asking questions during the process of the Quranic revelation can get Allah to reveal the new theology.</b>
Regardless whichever particular circumstances were (or both, if complementary) during the claimed revelation, both the circumstances, the plain reading of the Quran and multiple exegeses found in the tafsir confirm, that <b>Allah confirms that the very act of asking questions during the process of the Quranic revelation can change the revelation.</b>


==== Tafsir Al-Jalalayn ====
==== Tafsir Al-Jalalayn ====
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