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== Inventions - makes the article a joke? ==
Make a new Responses to Apologetics section. Why is this page necessary? What does it tell us? Do other religions have behaviors like this associated with their followers? Link items to the history of Islam. Reject references to Islamophobia (this is an invalid term)


The section on inventions with tuban bombs, butt bombs, etc. makes this page look like a 12 year olds fantasy. Could someone fix it and at least put something not idiotic in this section? So maybe Islam invented nothing which is fine since a religion is not alive and can't do things.  It is basically impossible that Muslims invented nothing since most human beings are creative and have a good intellect. So, I would recommend either adding a list of Muslim inventions or deleting this section.  
== This page is garbage and hurts the site ==
Thanks [[User:Iridium|Iridium]] ([[User talk:Iridium|talk]]) 14:31, 5 August 2014 (PDT)
 
: These are all relevant inventions for example:
I think the quran scholarship on wikiislam is well done, but this page is just shit. Really hard to believe this site is not islamophobic after seeing this. I mean it starts with a picture of the underpants bomber. Any one who added to this page should be ashamed.
:: The '''yellow badge''' that was to be eventually used by the Nazis against the Jews, '''was invented by a Muslim caliph in Baghdad in the 9th century''' as a variant of the zunnār belt. This then spread to the western world in medieval times.[3]
:Firstly the term "Islamophobia" is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobia#Criticism_of_term_and_use invalid], is often used to silence the criticism of Islam and should not be used.
:They are all very relevant considering the teachings of Islam and its history. For example in this case the Yellow badge is linked to [[Yellow_Badge|this article]] which is also a local article and it studies this topic in detail. And here's our article for [[Zunar]] which mentions ''"It was part of the clothing that non-Muslims under Dhimmitude were required to wear in order to differentiate themselves from Muslims."'' 
:Regarding the contents of the page, it is what it is. The collection of items on this page shows the side effects of Islam and many items are directly derived from Islamic scripture like the [https://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Genuine_Islamic_Inventions_Innovations_Records_and_Firsts#Intolerance Intolerance] section. We can talk about re-arranging the information or changing the picture etc (maybe put in something related to Intolerance and mention that instead) but the content is all referenced.
:As for adding a list of Muslim inventions, this is a website that focuses on criticism of Islam. All of these things put together show some important aspects of Islam. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 18:44, 5 August 2014 (PDT)
:Can you say items like this can be associated with any religion, like Buddhism? We cant. Only Islam has a collection like this and that says a lot about Islam. So its an important page and its unique (its not found anywhere). It took hard work to create the content.
::'''''"The section on inventions[sic] with tuban[sic] bombs, butt bombs, etc. makes this page look like a 12 year olds[sic] fantasy."'''''
:Also, criticism of Islam comes in many different flavors. You cant find one page that you dont like and then imply that means the whole site is invalid in some way because of that one page. --[[User:Axius|Axius]] <span style="font-size:88%">([[User_talk:Axius|talk]] <nowiki>|</nowiki> [[Special:Contributions/Axius|contribs]])</span> 06:41, 8 January 2016 (EST)
::A few things that need to be clarified:
::*The section on "inventions" you are referring to is actually a section on innovations (if you check a dictionary you will learn that inventions and innovations are two related but ''very'' distinct things).
::*This section with "turban bombs, butt bombs, etc." is fully referenced.
::*Don't like the embarrassing names? Guess what? The references ''explicitly'' identify these innovations as "turban bombs, butt bombs, etc." There is even a fully referenced entry for a "donkey bomb" in there.
::*This is clearly ''not'' a "12 year old's fantasy", it is an Islamic terrorist's reality.
::'''''"Could someone fix it and at least put something not idiotic in this section?"'''''
::*Every entry is fully referenced, so there is nothing to "fix" except reality. Sadly we can't help you there.
::*If you mean these innovations and the Muslim individuals behind them are "idiotic", then I agree with you. But be careful that this does not lead to you being accused of hate (this can happen very easily when criticizing terrorists who happen to be motivated primarily by the teachings of Islam).
::'''''"It is basically impossible that Muslims invented nothing since most human beings are creative and have a good intellect."'''''
::*No one at WikiIslam has ''ever'' claimed "Muslims invented nothing". Infact many of the science-related article make a point to mention that Muslims indeed ''have'' been behind a certain level of scientific progress, just like every other people-group to have ever existed.
::*"Most human beings are creative and have a good intellect"? That is debatable and sadly outside the scope of this website.
::'''''"So, I would recommend either adding a list of Muslim inventions or deleting this section. "'''''
::Angry at the ex-Muslims who simply document the existence of "turban bombs, butt bombs, etc.," rather than the terrorists who actually create and use these "turban bombs, butt bombs, etc." to murder and maim innocent Muslims? I would recommend getting your priorities straight. [[User:Sahab|--Sahab]] ([[User talk:Sahab|talk]]) 13:43, 6 August 2014 (PDT)

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To Do:

Records and firsts needing source:

  1. Saudi Arabia is the first and only country to ever ban women from driving, for being women.
  2. Youngest divorcee ever in Saudi Arabia or Yemen
  3. The only countries to have no minimum marriage age are Saudi Arabia and Yemen
  4. Gulf states, the first to ever apply 'gay tests'

Make a new Responses to Apologetics section. Why is this page necessary? What does it tell us? Do other religions have behaviors like this associated with their followers? Link items to the history of Islam. Reject references to Islamophobia (this is an invalid term)

This page is garbage and hurts the site

I think the quran scholarship on wikiislam is well done, but this page is just shit. Really hard to believe this site is not islamophobic after seeing this. I mean it starts with a picture of the underpants bomber. Any one who added to this page should be ashamed.

Firstly the term "Islamophobia" is invalid, is often used to silence the criticism of Islam and should not be used.
Regarding the contents of the page, it is what it is. The collection of items on this page shows the side effects of Islam and many items are directly derived from Islamic scripture like the Intolerance section. We can talk about re-arranging the information or changing the picture etc (maybe put in something related to Intolerance and mention that instead) but the content is all referenced.
Can you say items like this can be associated with any religion, like Buddhism? We cant. Only Islam has a collection like this and that says a lot about Islam. So its an important page and its unique (its not found anywhere). It took hard work to create the content.
Also, criticism of Islam comes in many different flavors. You cant find one page that you dont like and then imply that means the whole site is invalid in some way because of that one page. --Axius (talk | contribs) 06:41, 8 January 2016 (EST)
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